RE: Sceptic"s annotated Quran
November 1, 2010 at 3:41 am
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2010 at 3:57 am by Rayaan.)
(October 30, 2010 at 9:41 pm)Ervin Wrote: What can you say about the hadith that contradicts the Quran.
The hadiths which contradict the Quran, and it has been established by the majority of scholars that they contradict the Quran (with logical proofs), then they simply have to be discarded.
But rejecting hadiths which seem to contradict the Quran have to be done carefully and correctly. Sometimes, it may appear to us that an authentic hadith is contradicting the Quran when actually it is not contradicting the Quran. This could be due to our limited understanding of the hadith, or a false interpration of either the hadith or the Quran, because an authentic hadith which is true should never contradict the Quran.
The Quran is a lot more authentic than the hadiths and also more important than the hadiths. However, the hadiths and the Quran should be mutually compatible given that the narrators are reliable and that they are interpreted correctly. I'm not saying the hadiths and the Quran are equally important, because that is definitely not true. The point is that the hadiths should be used as a complementary source along with the Quran, for learning about additional things. Therefore, both the Quran and Hadith are important sources for learning about the teachings of Islam.
(October 30, 2010 at 9:41 pm)Ervin Wrote: Also why would you believe that the hadith were 100% corect when it was transleted from person to person through Chinese whispers. Like he/her sad to him and than he said to him and on for two hundred years and then the Bukhari comes along first about two hundred years later and records it.
It's not necessary to be 100% certain if a hadith is true or not, because being close to 100% certain is good enough. Why? Because it is better to accept hadiths with a slight chance of error than to not accept them at all. There are many hadiths which cannot be ignored, because they are necessary to know the details behind the fundamentals of Islam such as how to perform the prayer, fasting, and charity/zakaat.
Although hadiths could be fallible, they are not totally fallible either.
A more important question is: How much fallible are they, or in other words, what are the chances of them being fallible? As you may already know, all scholars are aware that there is always a potential for there to be slight mistakes here and there in the process of hadith narration. So, that is the reason why hadith scholars carefully study the hadiths – and the elements of hadith such as the narrators, the isnad, meaning, translation, etc. - in order to establish the authenticity of the hadiths one by one. You can learn more about the levels of hadith classification at the link below:
Notes on the Science of Hadith and Rules Governing the Criticism of Hadith.
And see this on the soundness of Bukhari hadiths:
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/122705/soundness
(October 30, 2010 at 9:45 pm)annatar Wrote: Hello Rayaan..
May I ask your opinion about some of the mistakes in quran?
First of, Tell me about heritage issue.. Why does allah can't do a simple math??
Hello annatar,
I've heard about this story before, but actually, there is no mathematical errors in the verses that you quoted. The only problem is that you're not understanding the specific details behind the verses. Therefore, you're calculation is not acceptable because you got it wrong from the very start. But I'll try to help you out with an explanation and a few links as well (just to make it easier for you to understand what's going on).
Well, the whole inehritance contradiction stems from the fact that the interpretation that you gave fails to recognize that there are only two categories of inheritors (as stipulated in the verses). The law of inheirtance is based upon those that take from what is total and those that take from what is left.
Parents fall under the first category (first taking from the total). The Quran states, "And if the deceased has children, the parents shall inherit a sixth each, and if he has no children and the parents are his heirs then his mother shall receive a third, and if he has brothers and sisters then the mother's share is the same one-sixth" (Surah 4:11).
The same is the case for spouses: "You shall get half of what your wives leave, if they die childless. But if they do have children, your share shall then be a quarter of what they leave after carrying out any will made by the deceased or payment of any debt owed by her" (Surah 4:12).
If you're still not getting it, then please carefully read all the info at the links below, if you truly want to understand.
Answered by:
Ansar Al-'Adl, Ousman Ahmad, Dr. Abid Hussain, Moiz Amjad.
Plus two more:
http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.p...e=11&to=14
http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.p...176&to=177
(October 31, 2010 at 5:45 am)Ervin Wrote: I didn't know that you are a God alone muslim. I was guesing that you are the mainstream traditional hadith folowing muslim.
No, I am not a God alone Muslim. Actually there is no such thing as a "God alone Muslim" or a "God alone Islam" as wrote in your comments above, because if you are a true Muslim, then you have to believe that both the Quran and hadiths are divine revelations which was sent down to the Prophet (pbuh), in addition to believing in a God. It is 100% against Islam to only believe in the Quran while rejecting the hadiths (or the sayings of the prophet), because in the Quran it says, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and be cautious" (Surah 5:92). So, the main point that I'm trying to say is that following the Quran alone is not enough to be a Muslim.
Here's a quote from an article on why hadith rejection is a bad idea if you're a Muslim:
Sometimes people who reject the hadith do so premised on the argument that the Qur’an is indisputably authentic (mutawatir), while most hadiths are not (ahadiyyah). That is, we don’t have 100% confidence in the authenticity and credibility of the hadith reports, while we do have 100% certainty that the Qur’an as it is has been transmitted to us without being altered.
True indeed! But we must still make a distinction between the hadiths that are not indisputably authentic but give us near certainty that they are authentic (sahih ahadi/hasan ahadi), and those hadiths that give us more reason to believe that they are not true (da’if).
http://www.lamppostproductions.com/files...ENOUGH.pdf
