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Reporter/camera man murdered.
RE: Reporter/camera man murdered.
(August 28, 2015 at 12:08 am)Nestor Wrote: The suggestion that the issue is not the people themselves but the weapon they choose, as Napoleon suggests, is silly. Gun violence is a problem here, but the murder rate, as far as I know, is not. That should tell us something.

You need to look up the facts then:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...icide_rate

The US has a higher intentional homicide rate than most every other Western country. That's pretty bad when America is the most prosperous nation on Earth.



But regardless. The issue here is guns. It's not silly to suggest so when you yourself have just admitted in the very next sentence that gun violence is a problem. Your mistake is in assuming your underlying root causes are different to any other country's, but many more countries deal with the problem a lot better than yours does because they know that easy access to guns is the fucking problem and it can be solved.

Continually palming off attention away from guns and towards 'root causes' is ignoring the issue, not addressing it. 

For the record, I don't disagree that the root causes are violent culture or mental health or whatever else. My point is, these causes are not unique to the US, however they're the only civilised country on Earth who has a shooting phenomenon like they do. Which indicates there's something you yanks are missing. And it's so blindingly obvious what it is.
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Reporter/camera man murdered. - by Brian37 - August 26, 2015 at 10:13 am
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