(November 7, 2010 at 6:53 am)tackattack Wrote: Yes it does make that assumption EV.Yes it does fall apart I'm afraid. Science is indeed open to revisions of theroies that explain facts better but only insofar as they are testable, falsifiable, repeatable and of the material world. By definition something immaterial cannot meet this criteria and thus is ruled out. If it met the criteria then it would be observable and therefore of the material world and cease to be immaterial. In the whole of human history no single event has ever been observed that is uniquely and undeniabley the result of immaterial caustaion, wheras there are billions upon billions of such events every 10 to the -43 seconds in the universe which could be observed that are unquestionabley of a materialistic origin. Just my opinion but your view is an appeal to magic.
CS & Dar, no I'm afraid it doesn't simply fall apart. The "laws" of nature are just regularities. They're not axiomatic. As soon as something happens different, we have to go back and reevaluate, that's the nature of science. They're a summation of observation. Most of the stances here, while touting openness of opinions/ ideology, hold a stance where it is improbable to observe anything immaterial. The notion of "law" falsely implies necessity and lends credence to a, IMO, skewed view of reality in some. A whole new undiscovered mechanism is what Science is about! What should be considered as a natural law is anything wrapped up in time. It's a table of consistent observations over time . 1000 years ago science was far different than today, and 100 years from now people will probably be laughing at how trivially we thought now. Just my opinion.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.