(September 5, 2015 at 12:50 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:(September 5, 2015 at 12:44 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Well I don't know about the US, but over this side of the pond in the Church of England the emphasis is on the happy clappy "lets all be friends" passages of the bible and by passes all the stuff that doesn't conform to that view. Intolerance is in the bible and of course if that's what your pastor, preacher, vicar wants to expose you to then that's what they will do. Over here, overwhelmingly, they don't. Some people study the bible, find out how shit it is and leave. But a lot of people read the bible (other religious texts are available) and go "I need to double down on the hatred". The sad part is everyone is right. If you want to get peace and light from the text you can, if you want to get hatred and oppression thats in there too. Ambguity and conflicting messages seems to the mainstay for lasting religions.
He was talking about the RCC. Dying in Western Europe fortunately, but still strong in many paces and still causing harm
I was not thinking about one specific religion or denomination. In the U.S., there are plenty of obnoxious protestants, in a variety of flavors, who promote hatred and bigotry. But you are right, the RCC is obnoxious and evil.
As for the Church of England, I confess to knowing little about it. But somehow I doubt that it is a good thing for one's morality, though I also imagine it is very, very far from being the worst religion.
I happen to think it is good for one's morality to be willing to question everything, to enable one to weed out problems that one may not have noticed previously, and to also notice more consequences of one's actions than one may have noticed previously. I do not think religion promotes clear and reasonable thinking, and it does not promote questioning everything. But those are the ways that one discovers flaws in one's thinking, and enable one to correct mistakes. Religion tends to cement things in place, and to impede making corrections that would improve one's morality. So I think that religion is always bad, though obviously some are far, far worse than others.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.