(September 5, 2015 at 12:09 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:Yes I do and think that's the scary part of it. You see they are ingrained with this religious morality very young most of the time, and the only difference I think between myself (raised deeply Christian) and a devout Catholic is that once I reached my 20's I started to approach claims with skepticism and I eventually turned this on everything, including my own Christianity.(September 5, 2015 at 11:51 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Of course you aren't, most Christians are decent people, that is the scary part. The reason religion make people less moral is because it replaces reasoned responses with "God said so". For example in the case of gay marriage, most atheists come to the reasoned conclusion that what two consenting adults do in the bedroom is no ones business and that to deny them marriage is unfair. The argument we have been dealing with from the side that wants to keep it illegal is " God said homosexulity is wrong" and when ask why its wrong, well just look at this forum as morality has done to death here.
So you believe a decent person knowingly and voluntarily donates money to an organization that protects child molesters and enables them to molest more children? And you believe a decent person knowingly and voluntarily donates money to an organization that causes AIDS and other venereal diseases to be more widespread than they would otherwise be, due to opposition to condom use? And you believe that a decent person knowingly and willingly donates money to an organization that condemns many poor people to greater poverty by denying them access to birth control, thus causing them to have more children than they can afford to properly care for?
These are questions, but I am interested in how you can reconcile such things. Perhaps you are using the word "decent" in a nonstandard way?
Now because I can understand what events and influences caused me to be an atheist I can certainly understand how other sequences may work to make people remain theists. But here is where its gets complex. When I stopped being a Christian I had to think long and hard about what is moral and why I should be moral. My personal system is simply reason and empathy combined with the golden rule and a dash of moral utilitarianism. But now I realize I was using secular morality in my life as a Christian everyday, just like every other Christian does when making important decisions. This is especially true in modern Christianity. So yes I think that most Christians are decent people because for 90% of their lives they really use the same moral systems we use and largely ignore their religion the 10% that they use the religion that is truly horrorifying as that is what leads to things like Catholics donating to support pedo priests and opposition to gay marriage. But they don't do it because they are evil, but misguided into thinking evil is actually good. And we as humans are all vulnerable to the same thing, and best way to gaurd against that is to watch for it and do your own thinking. But if we demonize others that have fallen into this trap we set ourselves apart in our own minds and make that much easier for ourselves to be manipulated.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.