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Defining "Atheism"
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RE: Defining "Atheism"
(November 19, 2010 at 2:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (Your agnostic friend said) I neither believe in the existence of God nor do I disbelieve the existence of God.

So he rejects theism and strong atheism. All right, but what about weak atheism (non-belief in God's existence)? He missed a rather conspicuous category. If what he believes about reality, knowledge, values, etc., is "without God" or "godless" (Gk. atheos), then his belief system is atheistic, which means he is not neutral about God after all—that is, despite viewing God as an interesting thought experiment, his belief system would affirm that no deity is required.

Another statement he made was even more fascinating. He said the essence of agnosticism amounts to the following principle: "I cannot know, nor will I ever know; therefore, I can never say. I must, logically, remain neutral on the matter." This is fascinating because what he has done is make knowledge a predicate of belief; i.e., he must first know in order to believe. This confronts him with an intractable problem: if knowledge must come before belief, then he can never know anything and, thus, cannot believe anything. This agnostic principle he describes actually strips his empiricist epistemology of all meaning; as the very axioms upon which it must be built cannot be known (by definition, being axiomatic), he therefore cannot believe them. A system that cannot even start is permanently incapable of meaning.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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Defining "Atheism" - by Strongappleby - October 29, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 9:30 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 29, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Zen Badger - October 30, 2010 at 8:40 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Strongappleby - October 30, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 29, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Skipper - October 29, 2010 at 9:56 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 29, 2010 at 10:50 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:02 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Shinylight - October 30, 2010 at 11:16 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Shinylight - October 30, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Shinylight - October 30, 2010 at 11:43 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by downbeatplumb - October 30, 2010 at 5:35 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 11:39 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 12:34 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 1:29 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 3:20 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Strongappleby - October 30, 2010 at 11:54 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - October 30, 2010 at 1:44 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by The Omnissiunt One - October 30, 2010 at 2:54 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by The Omnissiunt One - October 31, 2010 at 6:07 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 31, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 31, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 7:17 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by LastPoet - November 1, 2010 at 7:45 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 7:59 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by LastPoet - November 1, 2010 at 9:19 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Skipper - November 1, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 1, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul Els - November 1, 2010 at 8:18 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 10:26 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 1, 2010 at 10:43 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 1, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 1, 2010 at 3:26 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 1, 2010 at 3:37 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Skipper - November 1, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 1, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ace Otana - November 2, 2010 at 10:56 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 5, 2010 at 8:10 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 1, 2010 at 3:39 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by LastPoet - November 1, 2010 at 8:26 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 2, 2010 at 3:26 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by -KT - November 1, 2010 at 8:42 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 2, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 3, 2010 at 3:40 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Rhizomorph13 - November 3, 2010 at 1:08 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by marco_73 - November 11, 2010 at 10:33 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Lethe - November 11, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 19, 2010 at 7:02 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 17, 2010 at 5:47 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 17, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 18, 2010 at 1:54 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Lethe - November 18, 2010 at 3:57 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 18, 2010 at 4:21 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 18, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Lethe - November 18, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by theVOID - November 18, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2010 at 2:33 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by downbeatplumb - November 19, 2010 at 2:45 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 20, 2010 at 2:45 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by theVOID - November 20, 2010 at 10:43 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 19, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Rhizomorph13 - November 19, 2010 at 2:41 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2010 at 3:21 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 19, 2010 at 3:26 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 19, 2010 at 3:49 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2010 at 5:24 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 20, 2010 at 11:58 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2010 at 6:34 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 21, 2010 at 8:18 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by theVOID - November 21, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2010 at 9:02 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 21, 2010 at 9:21 am

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