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Defining "Atheism"
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RE: Defining "Atheism"
(November 20, 2010 at 11:58 pm)Tiberius Wrote:
theVOID Wrote:The cat is either dead or alive, it's as simple as that, the whole point is that we could not know the outcome of a random event until we have observed it.

Erm, that's not how I learned it. From Wikipedia:

Quote:The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when we look in the box, we see the cat either alive or dead, not both alive and dead.

Then again, I'm not a physicist, and I prepare to stand corrected.

That was a 'problem' that Schroedinger had with the Copenhagen interpretation because if it was true that you need an observer to collapse a wavefunction then the cat would be both dead within the potential scope of the system. Schroedinger rightly pointed out the paradox, and suggested that it needed to be resolved because as it stood the Copenhagen Interpretation could easily become a paradox.

This old school understanding of wave function collapses isn't accurate though, we now know that 'observers' are anything that interacts and causes a state change in the quantum system. The release of the radioactive material that triggered the release of the poison would be in it's self an 'observer' and cause the superposition of quantum states to resolve all by it's self.

(November 21, 2010 at 9:21 am)Tiberius Wrote: It isn't part of the original thought experiment, no, but it is included in many of the interpretations of the experiment, since what happens after the box is opened is important.

Only for someone who wants to know if the cat is dead or alive. The 'important' stuff has already happened.
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Defining "Atheism" - by Strongappleby - October 29, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 9:30 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 29, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Zen Badger - October 30, 2010 at 8:40 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Strongappleby - October 30, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 29, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Skipper - October 29, 2010 at 9:56 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 29, 2010 at 10:50 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:02 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Shinylight - October 30, 2010 at 11:16 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Shinylight - October 30, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Shinylight - October 30, 2010 at 11:43 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by downbeatplumb - October 30, 2010 at 5:35 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 11:39 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 12:34 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 1:29 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - October 30, 2010 at 3:20 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Strongappleby - October 30, 2010 at 11:54 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - October 30, 2010 at 1:44 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by The Omnissiunt One - October 30, 2010 at 2:54 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 30, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by The Omnissiunt One - October 31, 2010 at 6:07 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - October 31, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - October 31, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 7:17 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by LastPoet - November 1, 2010 at 7:45 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 7:59 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by LastPoet - November 1, 2010 at 9:19 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Skipper - November 1, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 1, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul Els - November 1, 2010 at 8:18 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 10:26 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 1, 2010 at 10:43 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 1, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 1, 2010 at 3:26 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 1, 2010 at 3:37 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Skipper - November 1, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 1, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ervin - November 1, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ace Otana - November 2, 2010 at 10:56 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 5, 2010 at 8:10 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 1, 2010 at 3:39 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by LastPoet - November 1, 2010 at 8:26 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 2, 2010 at 3:26 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by -KT - November 1, 2010 at 8:42 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 2, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Existentialist - November 3, 2010 at 3:40 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Rhizomorph13 - November 3, 2010 at 1:08 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by marco_73 - November 11, 2010 at 10:33 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Lethe - November 11, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 19, 2010 at 7:02 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 17, 2010 at 5:47 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 17, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 18, 2010 at 1:54 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Lethe - November 18, 2010 at 3:57 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 18, 2010 at 4:21 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 18, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Lethe - November 18, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by theVOID - November 18, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2010 at 2:33 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by downbeatplumb - November 19, 2010 at 2:45 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Ryft - November 20, 2010 at 2:45 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by theVOID - November 20, 2010 at 10:43 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 19, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Rhizomorph13 - November 19, 2010 at 2:41 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2010 at 3:21 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Paul the Human - November 19, 2010 at 3:26 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 19, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Welsh cake - November 19, 2010 at 3:49 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 20, 2010 at 5:24 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 20, 2010 at 11:58 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2010 at 6:34 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 21, 2010 at 8:18 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by theVOID - November 21, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by fr0d0 - November 21, 2010 at 9:02 am
RE: Defining "Atheism" - by Tiberius - November 21, 2010 at 9:21 am

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