RE: The Obsession with Discussing the Supposed Rudeness of Atheists
September 30, 2015 at 3:46 pm
(September 30, 2015 at 3:06 pm)lkingpinl Wrote:(September 30, 2015 at 2:48 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: You might want to rethink that. What you are saying is, when someone labels himself a theist, you would be wrong to "assume" that the person believes in a god. Of course, it is not an assumption at that point. It is just taking the person at his word. If someone is a stupid moron who does not know how to properly label himself, that is a failing of his, not of the people who initially take him at his word. I will grant you, however, that there are quite of few complete morons who label themselves inaccurately. Of course, if they are that stupid, when they directly tell you, "I believe X," you would be equally wrong to suppose that you could count on that being true, since the person clearly has no clue what they are talking about.
I will grant you that certain assumptions can be made depending on the self attributed label. I'm a theist, so it is safe for you to assume I believe in God, because if I didn't then as you said I would be stupid for labeling myself as a theist. But if I identify as a theist, you cannot assume what branch of theism I follow. I identify as Christian. This gives you more info to glean assumptions from, for example, you can assume I believe in the God of the Bible, that Jesus Christ lived, died and was resurrected. Nothing really beyond that since there are "Christians" who believe all are/will be saved, that only the elect will be saved, pre-tribulation, post-tribulation, no tribulation, original sin, no original sin, old earth, young earth, creation, evolution, etc. You could assume, but you might be incorrect.
I said this in the other thread as well, it's when people get told what they believe by someone else is when they tend to get upset. I always try to ask what someone believes about something I wish to discuss before asking and assuming I know what they believe based on how the identify and label themselves.
You guys are all being entirely too reasonable.
Defeats the entire purpose of this thread!
Can't y'all get anything right? We're supposed to be flame-warring and hating on each other.
Get your shit together, everybody!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
