RE: Atheists interpret bible verses
October 8, 2015 at 12:32 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2015 at 12:34 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.
Edit Reason: Misspelled "Baptist" as "Batpist". Hehe.
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(October 8, 2015 at 12:24 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:(October 8, 2015 at 12:17 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: A liar is someone who, when confronted with very basic facts (like the clear knowledge that the KJV was made to suit a political and religious--the same thing, since the Church of England was the official government religion--agenda), yet continues to say the same original claim that the KJV is the only "true" translation, and all the others have agendas. It's absurd and sad.
It's funny you should say that; I was happy as a Christian, until I realized the lies I was being told by the Church leadership, at which point I became very upset, because I am a fundamentally (no pun intended) honest person. When I realized that I no longer believed, I felt a relief and newfound sense of wonder at the world/universe around me, since I can now look at things as they are, instead of having to bend reality to fit a book's preset ideas about that world.
I don't "know what is truth" in all cases, but I'm not going to pretend I know truth when I don't, and I'll honestly admit when I have made a mistake or misunderstood something. That's intellectual honesty. So is calling a falsehood a falsehood, and a person who speaks falsehood a liar.
how can you say you were a Christian when you don't understand the gospel
its a relief to think that life was an accident?
it should be depressing to think we're all molecules in motion and nothing else
you put your faith in whatever research you found against the kjv then
I do understand the gospel. But eeeeeeeeevery Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian I speak to continues to insist that I don't. It's funny; I haven't changed anything since the days when I was a Christian, and back then people in my church used to openly marvel at my understanding and ability to retain passages, and apply them to lessons. Suddenly, when I no longer think it's a holy book, but just the work of humans, without changing any of my other understandings, I now "don't understand" it.
I'm an evolutionary biologist. What's wrong with life being a cosmic accident? Seriously. I've never understood why people can't accept the simple fact that we're not special.
I have yet to meet anyone who thinks "we're all molecules in motion and nothing else". What the fuck does that even mean? If we're made of the same stuff as the rest of the universe, if we're the same as all the other living things on earth, then it's tragic? Really?
What do you mean, "whatever research I found against the KJV"? This is well-known history of how the KJV was made. This is taught at every Christian seminary in the country. My mother just retired from being a professor (department head!) at a private Southern Baptist university, and even they teach this about the history of the KJV, though they still consider it the inerrant Word of God.
You don't get to substitute your own reality, dude.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.