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"Religious people tend to be smarter"
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RE: "Religious people tend to be smarter"
(October 12, 2015 at 10:26 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:
(October 12, 2015 at 8:38 pm)heatiosrs Wrote: [quote pid='1081961' dateline='1444695624']
" The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. "

Also agnostic deist is pretty hard to define, unless someone specifically states it, based on the fact that almost all religious people would hardly ever be caught making contradictory statements(knowingly, ex. "I wouldnt want to believe in a cruel god, and I find no evidence for god" and then saying "my religious views are that I believe in god who has created this universe" etc. or whatever), it's more plausible to call Einstein an agnostic with the belief that god could exist, but not believing that one does.

Also,

1. How does someone "come to know god"? Are you just metaphorically speaking about the voices in your head or referring to a book of some sort? There is no definitive difference between people claiming they "speak to god" and people with schitzophrenia, and any normal person would be terrified if someone started talking to them in their head, even more so trying to influence their actions.

2. Why do you believe in a deist god? The belief in a deist god breaks down in arguments sake when you consider the argument. You believe that all this couldn't just come from nothing and that a god had to create it. Yet, when doing so you are just proposing a harder question and not answering the original one. Where did god come from? If you allow yourself to say we are so complex we must have been designed, you must also ask where a god that is infinitely more complex and had the power to create us and exist in its own complex self at the same time came from. And in that, the argument falls flat, and the answer ultimately can't be found.

sorry im probabally mistaken i was under the impression that agnostic meant simply " i dont know " . most people will readily admit that they dont have it all figured out and do not believe they can figure it all out . even many religious people who believe that God exists . based on all the statements ive read its clear that einstein did believe in God he just did not believe in the God portrayed in religions.

i think your assumption that any normal person would be terrified if someone started talking to them in their head is not true although people react differently so i can only speak for myself its not terrifying its exciting and interesting . I dont claim to know any of the questions you are asking ' where did God come from ' and the rest . I dont need to know every single mystery of the universe to believe in God , my belief in God is just because God proved to my doubtful mind that He exists so i believe because of that proof not because i think i have all the answers to everything .

(October 12, 2015 at 8:31 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Where did you get those quotes?  --  Particularly the "Everyone" one . . . since the vast majority of scientists are atheist?  
And if you are going to post quotes, you need an attribution or a citation.

just go to google and type in einstein quotes on God he says quite a bit about God
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@jenny1972
So why do you believe something with no proof? You recognize that you can't distinguish a scitzophrenic person from someone "talking to god", you realize you have no proof, you realize that by believing in a deist god that has not contacted humanity in any form such as the Bible or Quran, you realize that you wouldn't believe anything else without evidence.

Seems to me you are just being stubborn, you have developed a mindset that allows you to accept logic, and then still deny the outcome it provides. You've basically admitted in everything you've said that all the evidence points towards you being wrong, but you still believe it. That's not faith, that's childishness to put it bluntly. To realize that all the evidence points otherwise and still deny the outcome it gives, that's simply the inability to accept being wrong.

That's a much less respectable opinion than any than any religious based one. At least religious people think they are right, or think they have a credible reason to believe. Don't fool yourself in to thinking you are holding a "progressive view" on god, or are more nuanced than the old stone aged scriptures, you're not, you're just being stupidly stubborn, just because you have this broad concept of God does not give you some type of pass to claim you accept the positions that disprove yours, but continue to believe otherwise.
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