Atheism vs. the Quran

[Thor]

1) People are not created "out of dust".

1. Scientists have found that there are organic materials present in tiny grains of stardust that are floating in the galaxy. Therefore, it makes sense to say that life came from dust.

Yeah, I figured you'd respond with this. And I repeat that we are not created out of "dust". We are created by the combination of of two cells which then replicate and grow. Saying we are made out of "dust" is a major oversimplification. If you're going to run with this, you could also say we are made out of water. Or air. Or earth (our bodies contain minerals).

2) People are not created "out of sperm".

The correct translation of the word "nutfah" is not actually a sperm, but it is simply a fluid-drop.

And what is a drop of semen?

In a different verse, it describes the nutfah as a mingled fluid:

“Verily We created man of a fluid-drop (nutfa), mingling (amshaj), in order to try him: so We gave him (the gifts of) hearing and sight” (Surah 76:02).

The nutfah (or a fluid-drop) is being described here as mingled fluid (amshaj), which consists of combined mixtures, not just the sperm alone.

Then it's STILL in error. People are not created from a "fluid drop". People are created when the sperm cell joins with the ovum. This is NOT a "fluid drop". Care to try again?

So, this fits with the scientific finding since the zygote is a mixture of male chromosomes and female chromosomes.

Oh, please! Talk about a stretch! You go from a "mingled fluid" to "the zygote being a mixture of male and female chromosomes"?

I'll tell you what, find the word "chromosome" in the Koran. THAT would be scientific knowledge they couldn't have possessed!

3) "A leech-like clot"? This describes a developing embryo to you? But a miscarried embryo would certainly look like a clot!

If you look under a microscope, yes, that's how an embryo looks like at the initial stages of its development.

The embryo is similar to a leech because the embryo appears to be hanging or sticking onto something as a leech does (hence the word "alaqah" is used, because it means anything which clings or sticks onto something).

This is a "leech-like clot" to you?

http://www.scienceclarified.com/images/u...mg0230.jpg

Yes, neither a zygote nor a fetus is a morsel of flesh. The Quran doesn't say that.

This is what you quoted from the Koran: "then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you"

Rather, the Quran is only saying that the morsel of flesh (which is partly formed) begins to grow after the nutfah (a fluid-drop) and alaqah (leech-like) stages. That's all.

That's not what it says, is it? Where does this passage say anything about "beginning to grow"? You're trying to read something into the passage that isn't there.

You want to insist the Koran contains "scientific knowledge" the people of the time couldn't possibly have possessed, and the best you can do is trot out some crap about "leech-like clots" and "mingling fluids"? Show us anything in the Koran that talks about microbiology, nuclear energy, radio waves, aerodynamics, plate tectonics, or the Earth revolving around the sun. Good luck with that.