(October 23, 2015 at 12:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:I think that Rob is corect but our current observations cannot go to a time before the big bang so we just don't know. You can believe whatever silly thing you like but I'll reserve my verdict till there is some evidence.(October 23, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Why does anyone need to give a "version" of how the universe came into being? "I don't know" is the only honest answer anyone can give. Adopting some ancient narrative as The Truth that must be defended at all costs is arbitrary, dishonest, and idiotic.Quote:Minimalist stated that creationism is bs. obviously that statement has to be based upon something other than "i don't know".
Creationism can be safely ignored as a possibility because it does not have anything going for it. All it says is magic man dun it.
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(October 23, 2015 at 12:17 pm)dyresand Wrote:
Quote:Here's the thing, the big bang requires just as much faith as creationism. You can't accept the idea of a creator, but you CAN seem accept creation happening spontaneously out of nothing.
Thought you guys referred to that as magic?
Do you know anything about quantum physics. Things happen spontaneously all the time.
(October 23, 2015 at 12:21 pm)robvalue Wrote: It is a mistake to assume that the universe "came to exist" and has not instead always existed in some form.
If that's what you want to "believe", fine. But you have no evidence for that being the case.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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