Creation Muesum

[Jenny A]

Why does anyone need to give a "version" of how the universe came into being? "I don't know" is the only honest answer anyone can give. Adopting some ancient narrative as The Truth that must be defended at all costs is arbitrary, dishonest, and idiotic.

Minimalist stated that creationism is bs. obviously that statement has to be based upon something other than "i don't know".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNDGgL73ihY

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Here's the thing, the big bang requires just as much faith as creationism. You can't accept the idea of a creator, but you CAN seem accept creation happening spontaneously out of nothing.

Thought you guys referred to that as magic?

It is a mistake to assume that the universe "came to exist" and has not instead always existed in some form.

If that's what you want to "believe", fine. But you have no evidence for that being the case.

Ah you object to the big bang because it involves something from nothing?  It necessarily so.  Wait a little and someone more versed than I in current theories about the beginning of the universe will come along and explain that something from nothing is a rather stylistic view of the big bang.  The evidence for the big bang, is however real.  There are several separate lines of evidence supporting it.  First the observable universe is expanding as if from a single point. Second, it explains cosmic background radiation.  Third the prevalence of the various types of atoms in the universe are what you would expect had the universe been created in a rapid bust of heat.  http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/foc...-big-bang/

But setting the big bang aside, to posit a god made universe you are left with similar something from nothing problems.  God proponents first assume that something has always existed, that is god.  Second, god then creates the world from nothing.  Oddly this later appears to be a contradiction of Genesis and Greek mythology as well, as god actually simply light from dark and waters from waters and so on. The basis materials are assumed.  In Genesis this is the depths of the waters.  In Greek mythology it's chaos.  Take your pick, but it isn't nothing in either case.

The result is two assumptions.  One is that a god that always existed.  And other is either that things that always existed and god put them in there present form or god creating things out of nothing.

The difference between the big bang and god, is there is evidence of the big bang.  The other difference is that the big bang does not attempt to push the story back further than the evidence.  What was there before the big bang?  So far we don't know.  Labeling that ignorance god is not useful or warranted.