RE: Creation Muesum
October 23, 2015 at 1:50 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2015 at 2:02 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(October 23, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:the reason you can't understand the concept of a "timeless creator", is because you're not spiritual. the bible states that God is a spirit,(October 23, 2015 at 12:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Minimalist stated that creationism is bs. obviously that statement has to be based upon something other than "i don't know".
Gosh, perhaps it's based on the fact that absolutely no aspect or claim of creationism has been demonstrated to even be possible, let alone true? That several aspects of creationism (here's a timeless creator!) are downright incoherent conceptually?
Maybe those things?
Quote:John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
can you tell me what a "spirit" is made of? If you don't know what a spirit is, how can you understand it's existence? The closest thing you'll get to describing God from a natural point of view, is as light.
Quote:1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Light is formed from energy. mass is also formed from energy.... Do the math.
(October 23, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:Strawman you say? Not according to Lawrence Krauss, who stats that (around 40:40 of the video)(October 23, 2015 at 12:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Here's the thing, the big bang requires just as much faith as creationism. You can't accept the idea of a creator, but you CAN seem accept creation happening spontaneously out of nothing.
Thought you guys referred to that as magic?
No, we actually have evidence for the big bang, like cosmic microwave background radiation. Not that I'd expect you to understand something before you open your mouth, since you apparently don't even know what the big bang is, based on your description. I'll give you a hint: the big bang is an event, it says nothing about the state of affairs before it, so your insipid "creation happening spontaneously out of nothing," shit is just a strawman.
Your desperation to put a scientifically supported hypothesis on the same level as your magic just so story is cute, though.
Quote:Why is there something rather than nothing? The answer is there had to be, if you have nothing in quantum mechanics you'll always get something.
(October 23, 2015 at 1:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:Quote:If that's what you want to "believe", fine. But you have no evidence for that being the case.
Which is why Rob specifically said he doesn't know a page before he posed that comment. Good to see that not only are you not bothering to comprehend the basic concepts you're talking about, you also aren't taking in what people are saying to you before you disagree with them.
Then he should of left it at "I don't know". He's bitten by his own snake, if he want to offer suggestion on how the universe began, then he has to provide the evidence along with it.