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Creation Muesum
RE: Creation Muesum
(October 24, 2015 at 5:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: That's it exactly, why is the serpent made to crawl on it's belly as punishment, if it is already on it belly? Makes no sense. Also I can probably say with some certainty, that your doctrine growing up and mine concerning what happened in the garden of Eden are quite different.

Literal Fruit had nothing to do with original sin.

As a way of explaining why snakes appear to be the only creatures on earth who don't have legs? (Cursed from the Beginning!)

If you learn a bit about the snake/serpant as a religious symbol common to Mediterranean-area and Fertile-Crescent-area religions, you'll see why it made sense for the people hearing the story in Genesis and accept that a literal snake was talking, but as part of a symbology element understood by the intended audience.

It is only confusing to modern minds, who grew up without inherently understanding that symbolic link, since we were raised on the folklore of our time, not theirs. But it's easy enough to Google. I won't even try to direct you... just look around.

But this is another example of why we cannot talk about your faith-traditions in a vacuum. They cannot be discussed in isolation because they were not created in isolation, and to limit discussion of a topic like that without reference to any external source is to presume that the religious traditions and verses were created in isolation, to be discussed only in that context. They were not, as even a cursory examination of Biblical history reveals. 

So to ask us to only consider your religion in isolation, on your terms, is to ignore what we know of your religion. Not trivial things, but the entire premise by which your sort of religion comes-to-be; the questions of comparative ideas when discussing the construction and origin of the theological concepts that underly your faith are as "core" as human language can be.

Edit to Add: By the way, the fact that our faith-traditions were so different underscores my earlier statements about what you consider non-peripheral issues, versus understanding the core of a faith. There is much more under strongly-contested views within the church than there are things considered peripheral and unimportant.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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Creation Muesum - by Blondie - October 23, 2015 at 1:23 am
RE: Creation Muesum - by Minimalist - October 23, 2015 at 1:35 am
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RE: Creation Muesum - by RoadRunner79 - October 23, 2015 at 11:30 am
RE: Creation Muesum - by SteelCurtain - October 23, 2015 at 3:04 pm
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RE: Creation Muesum - by Anomalocaris - October 23, 2015 at 10:48 am
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RE: Creation Muesum - by Crossless1 - October 25, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Creation Muesum - by RoadRunner79 - October 25, 2015 at 6:21 pm
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RE: Creation Muesum - by Bob Kelso - October 23, 2015 at 10:41 pm
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RE: Creation Muesum - by Huggy Bear - October 25, 2015 at 2:46 pm
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