(October 30, 2015 at 12:13 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:
I am somewhat familiar with the Lenski E. Coli experiement. I don't think that it would fit the definition which you gave (it is not specific eneough). For instance, if I were to repeat the experiment and failed to come up with the same results would it falsify or nullify the model and conclusion? Although some research in directed mutagenesis may indicate that it is repeatable although not random. Either way, this does not provide a model for evolutionary change, and I don't think would falsify it. This doesn't mean that evolutionary change did not occur, only that under your definition it is not science.
I have refrained from providing examples of science in creationism and I entered the conversation more so in regards to what is science and inconsistency I see in defining it. I don't think it is unreasonable to define the criteria you are asking me to meet. And under your previous definition, I agreed, that it did not meet that criteria. I also pointed out some other things that under that definition which do not meet the requirements you gave.
I also asked you if common descent evolution is science, and if you could give me an example similar to what you are looking for, to show that it is science. And you didn't answer, but I keep going with the conversation and do not bring it up every two posts. Frankly, I'm not concerned with if creationism or I.D. is science or not. I don't think that saying that it is pseudo-science speaks in any way to it not being true or representative of reality. It only speaks to how the conclusion was reached. So, if you want to have a restrictive view of what is science, I have no issue, but only ask that you apply it consistantly.
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Creation Muesum - by Blondie - October 23, 2015 at 1:23 am
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RE: Creation Muesum - by Anomalocaris - October 23, 2015 at 10:48 am
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RE: Creation Muesum - by SteelCurtain - October 24, 2015 at 12:02 am
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RE: Creation Muesum - by Esquilax - October 26, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Creation Muesum - by SteelCurtain - October 26, 2015 at 8:54 pm
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RE: Creation Muesum - by Bob Kelso - October 23, 2015 at 10:41 pm
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