RE: Sentience
December 19, 2010 at 6:13 am
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2010 at 6:37 am by Captain Scarlet.)
(December 19, 2010 at 6:05 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Basically that complex systems will spontaneously arise from simple systems.Doesn't that support the point? I would not argue that complex systems do not arise spontaneously from simpler ones, I'm just saying that complex systems always follow from simpler ones, whatever the antecedent caustion is (spontateous caustion, mutation, deliberate acts all count).
Quote:Complexity necessairly has antecedent simplicity and is therefore caused
So this statement is incorrect.
(December 19, 2010 at 5:48 am)theVOID Wrote: 1. Is flawed. By it's self it's a black swan fallacy, your support has more problems.If I can support P1 and show it to be neceasirly true, I would hope to escape this fallacy.
(December 19, 2010 at 5:48 am)theVOID Wrote: Firstly, what is your proof for complexity being necessarily caused? What is your proof that something that is complex was necessarily simple at an earlier time? If complexity is posited at t0 (which God is) then it cannot possibly have an antecedent simplicity, Thus far these points remain bare assertions.Complexity is a result of simpler systems compounding over time. It is a process; a causal sequence. To be sentient requires conciousness; to be conscious is to be aware; being aware of something presupposes awareness; awareness, is itself a causal sequence. That sequence is more complex than the preceding 'parts'. But even still, if God is conscious, then he must have some means of consciousness and be dynamic. If he is dynamic then he must himself be subject to causality.
(December 19, 2010 at 5:48 am)theVOID Wrote: Also, just because Sentience does not exist in all creatures does not necessitate that it is caused. You would also have to establish this.If sentience is not present in all beings, then it is not necessary, it is therefore contingent and from the law of cauality it is caused.
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