My feelings exactly. If their claim can't even compete for evidence with a rock, or any other basic part of the experiential world, and has to be twisted around in pretzels to give the superficial appearance of being part of that world, they've given up the game before they've even started. And admitted as much.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
