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Atheism as a teacher
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RE: Atheism as a teacher
(November 16, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The problem is, you are being an ass and not realizing it.

The vast majority of Muslims are not violent. These Muslims claim to follow Islam. Whether they follow Islam to the letter or not is irrelevant; hardly any religious person follows their religion literally.

So when you blame Islam for the actions of ISIS, regular Muslims are going to take offense, and rightly so, because to them, Islam does not teach the kind of things that ISIS is doing. That should be obvious to you based on the fact that most Muslims are not violent; there is clearly something else at work, and that is fundamentalism, fanaticism, and extremism. If you want to blame something, blame those things. They have the power to corrupt any religion, any belief system, not just Islam.

Honestly, there's not a very good analogy for atheists, because we don't have religious beliefs, but try this one. It's like when people blame atheists for the atrocities that Mao committed, because Mao's policies were atheistic and anti-religious. Of course, nothing in atheism states that we should ban religion or arrest religious people. Rather, it's the extremism of Mao that caused those events.

Now imagine your atheist beliefs are so important to you, you live your life by them, make decisions based on them, etc. You too would get offended and upset if someone told you that atheism was to blame for the killing of hundreds of people.

Hm, alot of surveys I've seen indicate worrying opinions in that community that wouldn't exactly oppose ISIS actions.
I'm not saying the majority are supporters but I would argue they're not exactly opposing either. The responsibility falls down to them to make sure their religion does not become something deadly. One such way would be to write new things into the Koran to offer some choice in interpretation at least but that will not happen because part of the belief is that this is the inexorable word of Allah. 
Its a catch 22. The beliefs encourage violence, in order for them not to they need to be updated but the Koran says that anyone who attempts to should be responded to with... violence. At some point the community is going to have to rise to the occasion and take the responsibility of making that change. Real change. Right now thats not happening and its alittle gross that we're still being fed this "Don't hurt my feelings by questioning my beliefs" bullshit.
Almost every other religion has at some point recognized the need for positive change... then immediately explained away or buried the change ever having taken place so their book is still the everlasting word of the creator. Time for them to grow up and embrace cynicism for afew weeks or however long it takes for them to "discover" new passages.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Tiberius - November 16, 2015 at 4:08 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 4:30 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Reforged - November 17, 2015 at 1:48 am
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Whateverist - November 17, 2015 at 9:29 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Crossless1 - November 16, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 4:22 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 4:46 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Tiberius - November 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 16, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Tiberius - November 16, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by mralstoner - November 16, 2015 at 8:03 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Minimalist - November 16, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 8:25 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Minimalist - November 16, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 16, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Minimalist - November 16, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Tiberius - November 17, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Edwardo Piet - November 17, 2015 at 12:58 am
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Minimalist - November 17, 2015 at 1:30 am
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by audiogel - November 17, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by robvalue - November 17, 2015 at 10:01 pm
RE: Atheism as a teacher - by Minimalist - November 17, 2015 at 7:34 pm

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