Veganism & vegetarianism

[Aractus]

Oh for fucks sake, shut up. Proselytizing about what other people eat makes you annoying as bird shit on a freshly washed car.

Why is the flesh of fish not considered meat?  I've always wondered that.

It is considered to be meat. It's just processed meats (ham, salami, etc) that are not considered to be meat, and are considered to be a part of the "discretionary foods" food group. With that said, most dieticians, and heart and cancer foundations, have the additional recommendation that people should consume fish at least twice a week.

Oh, dear, you've climbed atop your high horse again.

MY high horse? Have you studied nutrition?

Vegetarian diets that include dairy and eggs can he helpful for some people, although it's still not a great idea long-term (and in fact 84% return to eating meat, and 70% for vegans) . Health professionals emphasise reducing consumption of meat to be within the consumer guidelines, not elimination. Vegetarians are more likely to suffer an eating disorder, or other mental health problem:

     I was stunned. The next day, I mentioned my discovery to my colleague Candice Boan-Lenzo, a psychologist who has not eaten meat for fifteen years. Did she know that vegetarians are at higher risk for developing eating disorders?
      "Oh yes," she says. "I tell my graduate students about it every semester."
      "What do they say?" I ask.
      "They don't believe me," she says. (Psych. today, c. previous link).

Ain't that the goddamned truth. I've seen exactly the same behaviour from students (mostly early-20 females) in nutrition courses. Some of them even presented "facts" in their presentations that were flat-out wrong, like vegans being able to get B12 and vitamin d from mushrooms, and that non-vegans are just as likely to become B12 deficient. I was shocked. I was like "well, we know one of you in that group is a vegan then".

Have you studied nutrition? No? Then you have no place to criticise. The ONLY diets that are suitable to be promoted to a wide demographic are the consumer guidelines (AGHE & similar) and DASH, and that's it. People can, and should, find out what's right for them specifically, but cutting out entire food groups is extreme and not recommended.