RE: The Moral Argument for God
December 4, 2015 at 12:29 pm
(This post was last modified: December 4, 2015 at 12:33 pm by athrock.)
(December 3, 2015 at 6:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The moral argument is a common one. One of the major flaws is that people think morals can come from anyone, and still be objective. If they come from god, they're subjective. That's what subjective means. If they're objective, they don't come from any one/three individual(s), and thus we don't need a god for our morals. If morals come from god, they're as subjective as anyone else's opinion of morals.
I'm not so sure this is correct. Let me play angel's advocate for a moment...
The question is not WHERE the standard of morality comes from but whether such a standard applies to all people at all times.
SUBJECTIVE morality is that which may be true for you but not for me or true at one point in time but not another.
OBJECTIVE morality is that which is true always and everywhere.
So, if a supreme being is the standard by which we measure (and derive?) morality, then that morality is still objective in that it applies equally to everyone everywhere - regardless of the source.
Here's an analogy: the measure of a portrait painted by an artist is how closely the completed work resembles the person portrayed. If it is does capture the appearance well, we say that the portrait is a "good" likeness. Otherwise, we question the skill of the artist (impressionists and Picasso notwithstanding). But the measure of the portrait is the actual person being painted. Now, imagine a room full of art students all painting the same model who is posed in the center of the studio. The students may capture the model's features with varying degrees of accuracy and skill, and we would judge that painting to be the best which most closely resembles the model in real life.
Similarly, it seems to me that when we measure whether an act is good or evil, we do so against an absolute standard of right and wrong that does not depend upon cultural differences or personal preferences. And we make our judgments regarding good and evil, right and wrong, against an absolute standard.
That which is the highest good is what theists call "God".
If God does not exist, then what is the basis for objective morality? Or does it even exist?