The Moral Argument for God

[athrock]

I'm a moral (subjectively) person who does not receive guidance from a fantasy delusion.

Not many people do. But where does your moral guidance come from?

The others have debunked the argument. I don't argue with fantasy delusions.

Debunked? I haven't seen that so far. Maybe I missed it. Could you explain more fully how the argument has been debunked prior to this point in the thread?

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I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this discussion, but here goes...

I've been looking at arguments for and against the existence of a "supreme being", and I'm focused on the moral argument at the moment. There are numerous versions, but a simple wording of it looks like this:

1. If objective moral values and duties do not exist, then God does not exist.
2. Objective moral values and duties do exist.
3. Therefore, God exists.

The logic of the argument is solid, so any disagreement must involve the definitions of the terms, one or more of the two premises themselves (of course), or both.

So, what do you think about this argument, and how would you go about dismantling it?

Thanks.

If horns do not exist, then unicorns do not exist.
Horns exist.
Therefore unicorns exist.

Ignoring that, morality is not objective.

Are there any objective moral values and duties?

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OP, please explain how the first item is true. I don't see how morality hinges upon a supreme being.

Well, I was hoping to learn why the argument fails as opposed to defending it. But okay...I'll play God's advocate again.

Without a supreme being who is all-good, what is the basis for measuring or determining what is right and what is wrong. Here's an analogy: if you were to travel from earth toward the sun, would direction would you be going? North? South? Up? Down? In space, the ideas of direction are meaningless apart from a fixed reference point.

Similarly, apart from an absolute Good, how do we know the degree of goodness of an action or idea, etc? Otherwise, all we have is your opinion versus my opinion. Or one religion's doctrine v. another.

Theists argue that because the ideas of goodness are universal, a gold standard must exist; the absolute gold standard of goodness is the being they call God. 

Without a universal gold standard, our ideas of what is good would be meaningless.
But our ideas of good do exist.
Therefore, a gold standard must exist.