(November 30, 2015 at 10:41 pm)bennyboy Wrote:That's actually not at all why some people, including myself have disagreed with feminism. I don't see feminists as extreme lesbian man hating bitches. The rhetoric that I see coming from people defend feminism is dismally misguided and often times (as I've seen on this forum), extremely guarded and vindictive to anyone who speaks out against feminism. Hell, feminists see people who challenge feminism as "crusading against women". It's bullshit, it's the most childish dispute I've ever seen coming from people who I'd otherwise consider rational people. You know who else isn't rational? People like Zoe Quin, Anita Sarkeesian, Lacy Green, people who are actually on the fucking forefront of modern day feminism. And I hate that "oh, those aren't the real feminists, they're just the ones who get the most attention." Well if everyone doesn't agree with them, then who's fucking buying the crap they spew, who's fucking promoting them?(November 30, 2015 at 3:59 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote: What's stopping me you might ask? Well for one, I'm not really sure what the definition of feminism is. All I know is that the feminists I've talked to agree on some things. Very pro race, pro multiculturalism, pro gay, pro trans, looking at gender as a spectrum and not binary, all very good liberal ideas that I also align with. I have started to question my stance on modern day feminism, which there seems to be a lot of misperceptions about. On one hand modern day feminists don't seem to know that there's a counter movement, which looks at the radicals of feminism today and doesn't back it up by saying that there's rational feminists too.
I've followed people like shoeonhead, sargon of akkad, and the amazing atheist, who for years filled my head with ideas that feminism was trash; these are people who I thought I could trust. I'm starting to question these points of view, because I think I would rather stand in solidarity with rational feminists, instead of against a movement that seems to have a lot of ideas that I could align myself with too. I find it difficult to just straight up get behind any movement, because it's multi faceted in it's views and I am too. I'm having a difficult time deciding who's side that i'm on. I was surprised that the feminists in the "why are there so many atheist anti feminists thread" weren't on my side when I was arguing with them.
Feminism isn't a club or a namebrand. If you look at the word, it's basically a "doctrine of female," and that can mean whatever you want. But the problem is that to very many people, "feminist" means "extremist lesbian man-hating bitch."
I would go ahead and identify with that term exactly for that reason. You will have to tell people over and over what feminism means to you, and perhaps some will say, "Yeah, that's right. That's what I think it should mean, too." Don't let man-hating bitches, who really aren't representative of most females anyway, bully their way into ownership of the term.
That being said, I'm a middle-aged white man, and a business-owner to boot, so fuck me, I don't get to be involved in these kind of discussions anyway.
What should be happening here, is feminists should be saying "yes I absolutely agree with you on this issue" instead they spew this rhetoric which makes us out to be the biggest assholes on the planet. I have been fucking taunted, bullied, fucking blatantly shat on by members of this forum. I've given my own generous share of choice words, sure. But you know what I have to say about the practically dozen people who have just tried to harass me off this forum for it? Fuck off.
