(December 7, 2015 at 7:46 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(December 7, 2015 at 7:35 pm)athrock Wrote: So, after triple-checking with a half-dozen or so believer websites, I can say that the classic formulation of the Moral Argument is:
- If God does not exist, then objective moral values and duties do not exist.
- But objective moral values and duties do exist.
- Therefore, God exists.
The problem with that argument is that it asserts by fiat that objective moral values are contingent on the existence of God.
I (and many others) disagree on that.
Why should we accept that assertion?
Because it is the most reasonable conclusion of careful thought about the matter.
Take god out of the picture for the moment...
Now, ask yourself two questions:
1. Do any objective moral values exist or are all moral values subjective?
2. If objective moral values exist, what is the basis for or source of them?
I look forward to reading your thoughts.