(December 11, 2015 at 9:15 am)athrock Wrote:(December 10, 2015 at 8:34 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Child Abuse: Deuteronomy 21: 18-21, Proverbs 30:17, Psalm 137:9
Rape: Numbers 31:15-18
Terrorism: Deuteronomy 2:25
Genocide (murder): Deuteronomy 2:34
Discrimination: Leviticus 21:17-23
There are more. Sounds like they were acceptable and condoned.
Are we discussing what Christers believe? Or are we trying to determine whether a supreme being of any flavor actually exists?
In quoting these verses, are you suggesting that they provide justification for these things in YOUR opinion?
If the Bible is NOT your guide, then please tell me whether any of the actions listed above are right or wrong regardless of who, when or where they occur.
You stated "If one or more of these was or is ever to be accepted or condoned, please provide some explanation of the conditions under which it/they would be or were acceptable." All I'm saying is that they were accepted and condoned, accepted enough to be placed into writing. As direction from a god. You know the conditions.
The verses provided justification for a people as they came from a god, a christer god. This is not my opinion, I did not write the bible.
In post #40 you asked where I got my morals. I responded in post #54 and then asked you where you got your morals. As of yet, no response.
I believe that they are wrong. My believing that they are wrong does not make them objectively wrong. According to the verses at one time they were considered right.
How do you conclude that anything in this thread will determine that a supreme being actually exists? How can a philosophical argument be a determining factor for the existence of a supreme being? You win the argument, therefore god exists? Please. I want evidence, not argument.
As there is no evidence (morals of any kind are not evidence) for a supreme being, the idea of a supreme being existing is fantasy. To then believe that the fantasy has in some form become reality is delusion. As stated before, I do not get my morals from a fantasy delusion.
So, again, where do you get your morals from?
Next, you use the words god, angels, supreme being. Then you talk about "the theists". Almost painfully. Are you a theist?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.