(December 10, 2015 at 6:43 pm)athrock Wrote: Okay...definitions are important in a discussion like this, so can we agree that objective means "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. And can we further agree that an "objective" moral value is one that is true in all places for all people at all times?(my bold)
We have shown that morals are not "objective" per your definition.
(December 11, 2015 at 9:10 am)athrock Wrote: Besides, I never asked you whether the BIBLE condones racial discrimination or rape. I asked if YOU condone them.
It does not matter whether or not I condone it, as your question is dealing with "objective morality". Subjectively, I do not consider rape moral, but there are some that 'subjectively' do consider it moral, as has been shown.
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy