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Loving and forgiving your enemies
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
(December 12, 2015 at 11:03 am)excitedpenguin Wrote: Evie, it's not that I think I'm wrong. It's just that you're so wrong that I frankly can't see any way to get through to you. I have no idea what the problem is, maybe it's talking to too many religious people and thus expecting anyone who genuinely disagrees with you to be as insincere and unskillful in debate as they are, particularly when I raise the level of the conversation beyond a point you can handle, apparently, and then it's like I'm the stupid one instead.

You need to be more open-minded. Maybe one day we will be able to get through to each other, but as it is, I could only properly converse with you if I took advantage of the fact that I far better understand your position than you do mine(most of the time).

Again, sounds like you're talking about yourself. You need to be open minded. You need to admit that you're wrong. And why on earth would I apologize when I'm the civil one?

What's so hard to understand about "You're using a nonstandard definition of "forgiveness" that no one else here is using, and when using the standard definition the hypothetical thought experiment you raise is a false dichotomy."?

That's true. Within the standard definition of "forgiveness" one can defend themselves from a killer by killing the killer and yet still forgive them afterwards.

Are we supposed to assume you're using your own made-up definition of "forgiveness"?
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Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Iroscato - December 11, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by c172 - December 11, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by abaris - December 11, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Minimalist - December 11, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Divinity - December 11, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Alex K - December 11, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 12:38 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 6:04 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Athene - December 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 7:36 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 9:32 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Athene - December 11, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Athene - December 11, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 11, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by brewer - December 11, 2015 at 7:25 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Chad32 - December 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 11, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 10:42 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Thumpalumpacus - December 12, 2015 at 1:03 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by KevinM1 - December 12, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2015 at 5:48 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Grandizer - December 12, 2015 at 6:33 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 7:31 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 12, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Whateverist - December 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:39 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:46 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Whateverist - December 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Whateverist - December 12, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:46 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Thumpalumpacus - December 12, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm

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