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Loving and forgiving your enemies
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
(December 12, 2015 at 12:28 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 12, 2015 at 11:38 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: No. The first thing - that's what happens. The latter - that's just what sanctimonious people say in order to appear more noble, and/or to cover the fact that they haven't dealt with the issue at all - they're just going through the motions, because they were indoctrinated since childhood into believing, that it's what they're supposed to do.


Do you always think that people who try to do something because it is the right thing to do are sanctimonious and phony, or only when it is a Christian principle?  

Also, you said you didn't know what the motives were of the woman in the video, even though she clearly said she believes forgiveness is the right thing to do. Yet here you make it pretty clear that you think people who do this are not being genuine. So, I'm confused. Which is it?

HN's quote was exactly what I was trying to say earlier, CL.  There are so many layers of personal motivation required by the act of "forgiveness", and so many different cultural views about what forgiveness means, that it can be difficult to know what a person's motivation was for the act.  Add to that a church emphasis on forgiveness - and things get more complicated, because it's supposed to be a Christian thing to do - - even if you don't feel like it.

People can be going through the motions, because others tell them it's the right thing and will make them feel better.  People can be TRYING to forgive for the same reason, as I once was, and failing miserably - - causing them to think that they are evil, and total failures.  People can be trying to be seen as going through the motions, when their hatred and judgment of the other person has not actually changed at all.

It's not so much a religion thing as a human thing - how we're trying to relate to those around us, how we want to be seen by our family and friends. This is why I loved the idea of trying to understand, instead of trying to forgive.  The act of asking questions, of reflective thought, of interaction with the one who has wronged us, makes us see the other as equal.  It makes us understand that there are two people who need to heal and move on.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Iroscato - December 11, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Longhorn - December 11, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by c172 - December 11, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by abaris - December 11, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Minimalist - December 11, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Divinity - December 11, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Alex K - December 11, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 12:38 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 6:04 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Athene - December 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 7:36 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 9:32 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Athene - December 11, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 11, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Athene - December 11, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 11, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by brewer - December 11, 2015 at 7:25 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Chad32 - December 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 11, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 11, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 10:42 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Thumpalumpacus - December 12, 2015 at 1:03 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by KevinM1 - December 12, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2015 at 5:48 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Grandizer - December 12, 2015 at 6:33 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 7:31 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Homeless Nutter - December 12, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by drfuzzy - December 12, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 4:02 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Whateverist - December 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:27 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:39 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:46 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Whateverist - December 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Whateverist - December 12, 2015 at 2:29 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:46 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 11:05 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:07 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Excited Penguin - December 12, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Thumpalumpacus - December 12, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm

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