Political compass test

[Ashendant]

Aww that must be it, you think the Government are angels, because why else would you suggest that CEOs are bad for not being so? CEOs are people, the vast majority are ethical and lawful just like any consumer or civil servant, it's the bad few that you let cause your striking conformation bias.

No i believe Ceo can be as corrupt as Govenrmenet officials...

So what if they want to make money for the business? A CEO is judged on their ability to bring about positive growth in any aspect of the business.

Then CEO job is not fulfilling demand, but making positive growth in the corporation

Is health a basic right? I'm not sure that's such a clear question, People definitely have the right to be free of force making them unhealthy, so a company poluting a water supply is violating that right, but does their right entail that the government can take the resources that other people have in order to finance it? I'm not so sure on that, and i'm even less sure that you could make a sound moral argument for it.

Health is less important than eating, breathing and defecating and as important as security, you can check the whole hierarchy of needs

If security is important enough so is health

Ideally we would buy our own health insurance with our income and donations to charities would take care of the brunt of the costs for those without the means. How feasable that is i'm not sure, but it's a situation that if it worked would be far more resource effective than any government controlled spending.

Charity can never truly compensate for that, it's also the reason why america has one of the worst health rates in the industrial world(or something like that)

What has the source of their imports and exports and ratio there of got to do with how capatalist they are? Also, the exports have only increased relative to the demand decreasing in the rest of the world, their competativeness will see their exports increase as other currancies rebuild their purchasing power.

Also, their rate of in-country consumption is rising as their relatively poor average standard of living starts to increase. This national trade is just as valid to be counted as their gross supply as what they export. They've really got no choice either, they're not going to be giving the US more loans to spend on more products for much longer, not with the debt already being 2 Trillion that they've got a very real risk of never recovering. The decline of the US as a monetary leviathan is going to see the standard of living increase in china as the governent releases more assets to consumer spending because less of their supply sector is going off shore, it's a rather ironic development.

Could you rephrase this bit it left me a bit confused

Hong Kong is not in any way autonomous, it's under a different 'administrative region' whihc means that it has a somewhat more open policy in terms of trade, taxes, profanity and access alws and it's largely geared towards tourism.

Yep sorry wrong name

You need to be clear here, 'social' policies does not make a nation 'socialist'. New Zealand is not socialist even though we have a decent sized social sector, progressive tax etc.

Also, the point was that China are moving away from socialism, the fact that they still have many social policies does naught to change that.

Ok i should what i say in socialism is in direct contrast with american irrational hate of socialism, it's just that in my country the socialist party is the ruling body and is seen as socialism-capitalism middle ground, while the socialism-capitalism Party is seen entirely as capitalistic(wanted to remove free public education from the constitution)

Great, so what is your alternative to a free market that isn't voodoo? Expecting the government to make the best use of limited resources is a laugh.

I have nothing against a free market, however i have everything against a wild market

More governemt = more control = more chances for corruption, it's when the governent can use a force to change the market dynamics that they create an opportunity for corrupt businesses to offer financial insentives for favorable conditions - That is exactly what caused the housing bubble.

I don't understand much about the housing bubble could you explain or point to a good source?

Less legistation =/= less law and order. Any 'absue' is still a crime. You just have to stop making stupid legislations aimed towards government control of the direction of the growth of the country, the government has nowhere near the capabilities needed to determine where the resources are best used, leave that up to the actual existent desires of the people.

Can you point a few examples of that type of legislation

2. More Government = More Spending = More taxes = Less Windows for abuse

That makes no sense what so ever, if it were the case the highly socialist countries would be the least corrupt. With communism as the epitomie of socialism it's clearly not the case.

When i said less windows for abuse i meant in the market not in the government in retrospect that wasn't a good argument either

3. More regulation =???= Less Productivity (How?) = Higher Ration of consumption of unhealthy products

The more regulation the less oportunities, the higher the cost of compliance, the less efficiently the limited resources are distributed. Regulation is the bane of the supply sector.[/quote]
Tell me other examples that isn't the drug law you mentioned below

Simply look at drug laws, regulating weed cuts of trillions of dollars in revenue from ever reaching the public market.

My socialist country pioneered a method to get rid of this, see what happened
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...46,00.html

Here's the typical conformation bias again. That is only the case for the vast minority of businesses. All businesses deemed to be foreceful, fraudulent or neglegent should be punished.

But for finding these corrupted businesses we need the government, defending again the "as big as it needs to be" government

Oh, and the government is necessary for these ones who would swindle to set up lobbies and create favorable conditions.

Lobbylists are necessary some times, but it doesn't mean they have to corrupt the government to hold power, if i remember correctly in the EU lobbyists are allowed but between themselves they made a list of "bad" lobbylists

Your desire for some angel system is foolish, stick to reality and you might not get so swept up in nonsense.

And your conformation bias is once again stinking up the discussion. Also, The DO care about my demands because if they can't meet them they don't get my money. The sole job of a business is to cater to demand.

Businesses are not individuals, and i don't desire for angelic system, but you treat the free market like it's one

I'm not saying no government, i'm saying no to big government.

Agreed as long it's caters with the needs of it's citizens

Which is small. The govt only need to focus on law and order, making sure that anyone who exherts force, coersion or neglect upon anyone else is accountable for it. Anything else is optional.

Isn't ignoring the citizens health a form of neglect...

Abuse comes under the category of law and order, not regulation. Regulation involves the government trying to manipulate the market.

So is ponzi schemes under the category of regulation or law and order

They also stop a lot of mergers that would be beneficial.

Example?

Which is?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12139407

Both of these would pass to hurt the citizen without the government

You don't think the consumers are capable of figuring that out? Also, any business action that puts its consumers at risk is an unviable decision. The goal is to create these entities into the long term, short term profit that hurts consumers is going to see the business collapse.

Still the damage is done and it can be a long term thing as long as nobody finds out

Oh yeah like Al Gore and the internet!

Because businesses and individual citizens cannot muster the cash enough for large scale innovation and societal shifts, only governments can