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Evidence for Christianity
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RE: Evidence for Christianity
"In the great classic, near eastern religions, man's life on earth is conceived as pain and suffering, and an inheritance of man's fall from grace (or Paradise Lost). According to these traditions, after man's expulsion from paradise, because of his disobedience to his "God", man alone could not recover his erstwhile innocence, even by striving to become a superhuman of humility, submission, and kindness, etc., but only by an intercession of a god, or God-man sacrifice, could man ever hope to regain paradise, in another world, a spirit world. This "New Jerusalem" is a concept which it contrary to the universal order of things which man's science has inductively gleaned from the study of nature, and as such, man's concept of morality is a product of his vision of the world and his hope to regain lost innocence.

Man's concept of morality has most recently been connected with what he conceived to be good (moral) and to be bad (immoral). Man's immorality has been equated with "sin" in his apriori understanding: this idea of morality has changed tremendously during his short tenure on earth. But contrarily, what is moral in Nature? And has this natural morality altered through time? "Truth" and "falsehood" are important ingredients in man's consideration of morality, but truth may be defined, in the sense of subjective truth with its definitions and criteria, differing from person to person, institution to institution, place to place, and time to time.

Man is essentially incapable of committing "sin" beyond the magnitude of the individual and collective sins, for the universe is independent of mankind's hopes, fears, aspirations, and indeed, complete understanding, past, present, and future. We may, however, admit a possible transient misdemeanor in that man's efforts have had some deleterious effects on the earth, and even possibly on parts of the solar system, but certainly this can have little or no effect on the galaxy or the universe at large. Further, the earth and sister planets and their satellites are almost insignificant parts of our almost insignificant star system in an almost insignificant galaxy, and in an almost infinitesimal speck in our universe (be it cosmos or chaos matters not).

Man's paradigm of morality is religion based on axiomatic reasoning, not subject to objective proof, personified as God, omnipotent throughout time and space. According to this paradigm, Man need not strive to obtain knowledge from any source other than religion for all is given by God; submission to his God will make all known which man needs in his life, and the rest on a "need to know basis" will be revealed to him in the after world. This is a lazy system for man need not strive to find truth, but it is handed down from above: All things are known to God and all man needs to do is apply and follow these laws which are made known by individual revelation from God to man.

Man's concept, and Nature's concept of reality and harmony differ in the highest order. Man has accused his a priori deities of duplicity, for men have always asked the question, "Why should good men suffer", and very often the misery of good men is far greater than that of those who do not conform to the highest criteria for goodness as defined by man's totomic customs and religions. This question has been asked and answers have been attempted ever since man realized his "selfness" and became an introspective creature.

In the last analysis of the morality of Nature, we see no evidence of mercy in the cosmos; its indifference extends to the lowest forms of life to that of man. The cries of humanity, whether the suffering is imposed by man upon himself or upon other men, or by natural laws operating independantly of man, echo down the corridors of time and space and evoke no response from indifferent Nature.

These anguished cries and pitiful prayers for help are merely cosmic background "noise" to which Nature must (not out of evil intent, spite, revenge, or punishment, but by necessity) turn a "deaf ear"; for were it not so, Nature itself would be destroyed by these same laws which Nature had ordained "in the beginning" (if there was one) and must continue to operate in perpetuity (if time and the universe are truly eternal), or there would be and ending to the cosmic laws: a true "twilight of the gods", and of cosmic harmony, Chaos never returning to Cosmos."

- James E. Conkin, Professor Emeritus, University of Louisville, 2002
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens

"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by The Skeptic - January 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Jaysyn - January 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 15, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by orogenicman - January 14, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Of_Tomato - January 14, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 14, 2011 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - January 14, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 14, 2011 at 3:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 14, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Welsh cake - January 14, 2011 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 15, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Strappado - January 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 15, 2011 at 10:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 10:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 15, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 17, 2011 at 6:43 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 17, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 8:47 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 17, 2011 at 7:41 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 18, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 19, 2011 at 7:39 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Of_Tomato - January 19, 2011 at 7:49 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 19, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by padraic - January 20, 2011 at 2:01 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 20, 2011 at 3:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 20, 2011 at 9:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:26 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by theVOID - January 21, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 12:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 22, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 22, 2011 at 12:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 22, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 23, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 24, 2011 at 9:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 2:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 24, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 8:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 7:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by GANIMEDE - January 25, 2011 at 9:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 26, 2011 at 9:42 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 29, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 30, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 1, 2011 at 4:38 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - February 1, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 1, 2011 at 11:33 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Justtristo - February 8, 2011 at 6:40 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by LastPoet - February 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 7, 2011 at 8:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 7, 2011 at 10:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 7:55 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 8, 2011 at 11:47 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by lcd471357 - February 9, 2011 at 2:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - February 9, 2011 at 3:14 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 9, 2011 at 12:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by thesummerqueen - February 9, 2011 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - February 10, 2011 at 8:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 11, 2011 at 12:44 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2011 at 4:40 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm

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