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Evidence for Christianity
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RE: Evidence for Christianity
dqualk Wrote:A lot of people say there is no evidence for Christinaity or theism in general. This is empircally false. There is a load of evidence for Theism. However, none of the evidence is conclusive. But things like reports of an empty tomb, down to the person on the side of the street who claimed to have a vision of God, to the "healer" going around healing people. Yes I know these could be illusions or we don't say God gave cancer etc. But just becuase there are rational explanations for what appears, at least in some sense, to be supernatural, that does not mean its not supernatural.
If the evidence is inconclusive, then how you can conclude that it's evidence for Christianity?
Feh. No matter. I can already see that this post is going in the direction of "I don't know what things are, therefore god exists."
Yes, a lot of strange things happen in the world that can't be explained by current or conventional sciences, but that doesn't mean the supernatural is involved because there is also no evidence that there is a supernatural force that exists.

dqualk Wrote:The convictions of billions is a good deal of evidence too. Once again not conclusive, as numbers do not mean that one is right. But its evidence.
The convictions of 2.1 billion christians doesn't outweigh everyone else in the world with their completely different take on their respective fantasies. It also doesn't compete with the fact that not on person of the 6.9 billion people in the world have proven a supernatural force at work in the universe anywhere.
Further, the 'convictions' of people isn't evidence that their convictions are justified by reality.

dqualk Wrote:There is also the crisis of life that leads many to the belief in God. That is all men are born broken into a broken world. We do that which we do not want to do and we don't do that which we would like to do, e.g. we wish we would read more or eat less. Further there is a lot of sad things going on in the world. The world is broken. We are born into this broken world broken, but there is something that does not make sense within us, life, and a desire for meaning.
Doesn't that fly in the face of god believing that his creation was 'good' in the bible? I would think that if god thought the world and mankind were broken, he would have said so.
... but then again, god, an omnicient and perfect being, was not only satisfied with his creation from the start, but stopped being satisfied with it at a later time to commit the genoicide of the human race known as Noah's Flood despite having perfect knowledge of the future.

dqualk Wrote:We all desire for there to be intrinsic value. Further we beleive there is intrinsic value a priori. Everyone grows up saying such IS right and such IS wrong in and of itself. Now we can learn that what we thought was nature was actually convention, and often this is the case, and of course for the atheist this is always the case. However, this is the crisis: brokeness and a desire for reason/meaning. This leads men to reationally conclude that there must be a God who gives meaning to those things which have no meaning within the rational realm, like intrinsic value, and an answer to the brokeness.
I love how christians assume that people are unified in things like this when they forget that even if more people believed in christianity than anyone else, that they're far from unified on any position in regard to their beliefs with one another. Case and point: Mormanism and Catholicism and Jahova's Witnesses and Southern Baptists and so forth...
It's gross oversimplifications like this that give the false impression that religion and its conclusions are a natural conclusion of the human experience, forgetting that Christians are violently opposed to many other religions, such as Islam but even within their own ranks.
I couldn't even make arguements all the way down to the individuals since many people have their own take on religion even with two people from the same individual church.
The closest thing that people have to an objective truth is the one branch of humanity that they take advantage of when it's beneficial but remain violently opposed to in virtually every other respect because it flies in the face of their crazy beliefs: the Scientific Community.

dqualk Wrote:Anyway feel free to post more evidence for God, or perhaps if you are the type, you know 'em, loud as a motor bike but wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight, you can post a bunch of slurs and insults directed towards theists, or you can post why you beleive such and such evidence is lacking to the point of absurdity, or perhaps its lacking to the point that you are not willing take on that belief.
More evidence? What evidence have you presented?
Because no matter how many times you add "0" to "0", you'll still end up with zero evidence.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by The Skeptic - January 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Jaysyn - January 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 15, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by orogenicman - January 14, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Of_Tomato - January 14, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 14, 2011 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - January 14, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 14, 2011 at 3:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 14, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Welsh cake - January 14, 2011 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 15, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Strappado - January 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 15, 2011 at 10:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 10:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 15, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 17, 2011 at 6:43 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 17, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 17, 2011 at 7:41 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 18, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 19, 2011 at 7:39 am
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 19, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by padraic - January 20, 2011 at 2:01 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 20, 2011 at 3:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 20, 2011 at 9:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:26 am
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 12:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 22, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 22, 2011 at 12:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 22, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 23, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 24, 2011 at 9:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 2:10 pm
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:52 pm
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 7:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 8:56 pm
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by GANIMEDE - January 25, 2011 at 9:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 26, 2011 at 9:42 am
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 30, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 1, 2011 at 4:38 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - February 1, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 1, 2011 at 11:33 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Justtristo - February 8, 2011 at 6:40 am
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 7, 2011 at 8:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 7, 2011 at 10:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 7:55 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 8, 2011 at 11:47 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by lcd471357 - February 9, 2011 at 2:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - February 9, 2011 at 3:14 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 9, 2011 at 12:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by thesummerqueen - February 9, 2011 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - February 10, 2011 at 8:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 11, 2011 at 12:44 am
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RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm

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