RE: Spirituality as an atheist?
December 15, 2015 at 5:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2015 at 5:06 pm by Reflex.)
(December 15, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(December 15, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Reflex Wrote: “God is spirit,” so it puzzles me when professed atheists lay claim to be being 'spiritual.' It seems to me they are either theists unclear in their thinking and/or desiring to avoid the stigma of religion, or atheists not wanting to appear cold and unfeeling.
"God is spirit" is your definition, not ours, one which you're imposing onto the discussion without foundation or adding new information. But even if we go with your definition, it in no way follows that spirituality pertains to "God". Beethoven wrote music, but not all music is Beethoven. Thus, whatever "it seems" to you is your problem, not ours.
I thought I added "new information" when I tried to make clear in post #3 that spiritually is not a vacuous feeling of peace or awe, but a self-conscious and intelligible approach to the Absolute, viz. that what transcends us, encompasses us and redeems us (that is, guides us toward having a more abundant life) and reveals to us our true purpose. And I'm not 'imposing' anything, but simply citing a well-nigh universal understanding of 'God.'
Now, if you want to define spirit in a way that is more accommodating to atheism, then you are free to do so. But in that case, you are obligated to be more clear about what, exactly, you mean by 'spiritual.'
(December 15, 2015 at 1:51 pm)DespondentFishdeathMasochismo Wrote:(December 15, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Reflex Wrote: “God is spirit,” so it puzzles me when professed atheists lay claim to be being 'spiritual.' It seems to me they are either theists unclear in their thinking and/or desiring to avoid the stigma of religion, or atheists not wanting to appear cold and unfeeling.Yeah I'm a "professed" atheist, as if that's up for debate. I'm an atheist who's "unclear of my thinking" or I am just trying to shallowly avoid being seen as cold and unfeeling. "Hey guys! I'm totally not unfeeling, I'm really emotional just like you religious folk!"
Your post is insulting on so many levels, please don't insult my intelligence.
I'm sorry you feel insulted, but in the OP you did make it sound like spirituality is nothing more than a vacuous feeling. And you reaffirmed that understanding when you said, "I believe the equivalent of atheist spirituality could be looking at the night sky, or relishing the grandeur of the universe."
“Not only are we in the universe, the universe is in us. I don’t know of any deeper spiritual feeling than what that brings upon me” is as true for theists as it is for atheists, but for theists 'spirituality is more than just a feeling: it's a reasoned and self-conscious participation in the unfolding a purposive universe.