Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?

[Amine]

How would it be any more wrong even if there were a God? All that adds is a guy who says don't do it. And maybe punishes you unless you repent later on. What's the same whether or not there is a God is the enormous suffering you bring on another person. If you are a psychopath and you don't care at all about the wellbeing of others, well, there's no actual cosmic rules to say you can't or anything. But I've argued that even a psychopath, if being honest, should at least acknowledge that his own actions would absolutely horrify him if he knew the actual subjective facts he is causing in doing something like that. His lack of care requires ignorance of that--psychopathy is a kind of retardation, the complete lack of a sense, a way of knowing.