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Spirituality as an atheist?
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RE: Spirituality as an atheist?
(December 15, 2015 at 10:18 pm)Reflex Wrote:
(December 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I suppose you've not discovered the concept of the ineffable ... which rather calls into question the substance of your judgement, if true. And if you indeed have come to understand the con el of the ineffable, your seeming inability to integrate it with your concept of spirituality makes me wonder how substantive your thinking is.

I'm on my phone and can't watch your video, but I should think that someone making such authoritative pronouncements on the spirituality of others ought to be capable of making his point in his own words.

In any event, I disagree with your conception of the subject, and find word salad unconvincing.

The feelings associated with finding out you have cancer are ineffable, so your statement about the concept of the ineffability is fatuous (I was using the words 'vacuous' too much).

Anyway, to what do you attribute the ineffable?

I attribute it to Spirit understood as the vital principle or animating force within living things and indeed the whole universe. 'Spirit' can also refer to a fundamental emotional and activating principle determining one's character or the state of a person's emotions. There are, of course, other definitions, but these are the most applicable in the context of this thread unless you have something else in mind.

One cannot, as an atheist, attribute the ineffable to 'spirit' in the first sense because God is spirit. And as far as I can see, what's left is an unstructured pile of emotional goo without content or direction.

Firstly, the feelings aroused by cancer diagnoses are certainly explicable using language. My son's mother, a breast-cancer survivor, has over the years given eloquent voice to her feelings.

As to what I attribute as the source of the ineffable -- the truly ineffable, not your thoughtless tossed-off example -- I'd say it is because the language we speak doesn't possess the words to express the feeling in question accurately. That is, after all, the crux of the problem, and it needs no deeper attribution, you obvious longing notwithstanding.

Finally, you clearly misunderstood my point: The spiritual is a result of the ineffable, not the other way around, in my view.

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Spirituality as an atheist? - by DespondentFishdeathMasochismo - December 14, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 12:40 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Joods - December 15, 2015 at 1:29 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 1:47 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by CapnAwesome - December 15, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Amine - December 15, 2015 at 3:42 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 4:01 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by SofaKingHigh - December 15, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Little Rik - December 15, 2015 at 7:13 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Little Rik - December 16, 2015 at 5:35 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Rhondazvous - December 15, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by loganonekenobi - December 15, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Simon Moon - December 15, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by TheRealJoeFish - December 15, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 6:04 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 10:18 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 10:50 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 16, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 1:57 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 16, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2015 at 4:22 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 16, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Whateverist - December 15, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by TrueChristian - December 15, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Rhondazvous - December 15, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Rhondazvous - December 15, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Whateverist - December 15, 2015 at 10:24 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by drfuzzy - December 16, 2015 at 2:59 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Iroscato - December 16, 2015 at 8:15 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 4:00 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 5:43 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 16, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 7:21 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2015 at 4:32 am

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