(December 16, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(December 16, 2015 at 1:57 pm)Reflex Wrote: As for #2, I was talking about logical possibilities, not proofs, certainties or demonstrations. Now, this is an atheist forum and I respect that, but atheists go to religious forums all the time and take great pride in being "logical" (and generally get pissed-off when logic fails them). So, let's stick with logic (which amounts to a bit of role-reversal) because it atheist generally claim it is their strength whereas I believe it is their weakness.
I'd appreciate it if you spoke to the points I'm making, rather than simply hector me with your views. I don't think your view on spirituality is any more privileged than anyone else's.
(December 16, 2015 at 1:57 pm)Reflex Wrote: If there is a reasonable alternative to the above choice, feel free to express it. I'm all ears. But simply calling it "ineffable" won't do in a rational exchange of ideas. If you cannot articulate a reasonable alternative, then, logically, either "spirituality" is the result or product of "blind process, law, energy or substance entirely devoid of any meaning save that which man himself gives to it," or it is the effect of something we call "God" or "Spirit." If it is the former, then there are inevitable logical consequences. Let's deal with them and stop misappropriating terms.
What's wrong with a man supplying his own meaning to his own life? And how does that affect what you feel as spirituality? Why should I give a shit what some guy I've never heard of before has to say about this matter? And why can't you speak for yourself instead of making appeals to authority on a topic that obviously (to anyone who has thought even a smidgen about it) is far too personal to recognize any authority outside the emoter himself?
Why are you so arrogant that you should come here and denigrate the views of others on such an intensely personal issue? The idea that you can objectively rank emotions is asinine and reveals a startling lack of insight on your part.
As far as "appropriating terms", language evolves, and spirituality has come to mean more than just a feeling connected with so mythological entity. Get over it -- and yourself, while you're at it.
I'm tired of answering your horseshit with courtesy when you're clearly being so disingenuous.
When logic fails, obfuscate or get pissed-off.