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Evidence for Christianity
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RE: Evidence for Christianity
Welsh cake;114343 Wrote:
dqualk Wrote:A lot of people say there is no evidence for Christinaity or theism in general. This is empircally false.
Man, you are dense. Now you've demonstrated you don't understand what "empirical" means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical

Read the article above and you too may start off on your very own quest for knowledge. *hint* *hint* *wink* *wink* Thinking

You've demonstrated your inability to think critically. Empirical means information gained by observation or something similar. The fact is one need only open his eyes and he will see people swearing up in down about there supernatual experiences. Then there is evidence based on arguments for God, that accep certain axioms, that you atheist disagree with. I think my boy Plantinga at Notre Dame is actually in the process of coming out with a new approach to Theism by claiming that belief in God can be treated as an a priori belief.
Captain Scarlet;114408 Wrote:There is no evidence for Christianity presented here that isn't just as terrible as the evidence for Zeus, Osiris, Lord Vishnu and a host of other gods both inventions of past and present with significant followers. Most had some mixture of there own revelations, miracles, human impreganations, significance of stellar occurances, heroic deeds, scarifices, resurrections, the list goes on. Whats different about Christianity other than you beleive it to be true and the others false?

To argue as you have done about the Catholic church flies in the face of all the evidence. Is it evil? I don't know but it covers up child rape of small boys and girls by its own preists, surpresses the use of condoms to prevent the spread of aids and actively discriminates against people it doesn't like (homosexuals for instance). I would say that it is a twisted and hypocritical institution at best. As for it standing in the face of Hitler, that really is laughable. It managed to celebrate Hitlers birthday from every catholic pulpit, turned a blind eye to the jewish question, and cannodled with Hitler regularly. All Nazi catholics remained catholics until the end except one. Its one act of contrition was to ex-communicate Goebbels, because he married a protestant (Magda). Yes the catholic church does have standards, just not the ones I recognize.

Well between your opinion and Einstein's (who actually lived through the horror) I'm going to go with Einstein. Concerning condoms. The Pope recently stated, what the Church has always recognized, and that is that although ultimately condom use is evil, outside of extraordinary curcumstances, it can be a first step of morality. For example, St. Thomas Aquinas argued that willful prostituion should not be forced to end by the State because it would create more evil than good, becuase bad people would do it anyway, and more violently, against women who had not chosen that kind of life. Likewise, one can use condoms if they plan to disobey teh Church anyway. The Church recognizes that it is less evil to use a condom than to not use a condom in the case of AIDs being transmitted through intercourse or something similar.

Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks….
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Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.
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- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38


Captain Scarlet;114408 Wrote:There is no evidence for Christianity presented here that isn't just as terrible as the evidence for Zeus, Osiris, Lord Vishnu and a host of other gods both inventions of past and present with significant followers. Most had some mixture of there own revelations, miracles, human impreganations, significance of stellar occurances, heroic deeds, scarifices, resurrections, the list goes on. Whats different about Christianity other than you beleive it to be true and the others false?

To argue as you have done about the Catholic church flies in the face of all the evidence. Is it evil? I don't know but it covers up child rape of small boys and girls by its own preists, surpresses the use of condoms to prevent the spread of aids and actively discriminates against people it doesn't like (homosexuals for instance). I would say that it is a twisted and hypocritical institution at best. As for it standing in the face of Hitler, that really is laughable. It managed to celebrate Hitlers birthday from every catholic pulpit, turned a blind eye to the jewish question, and cannodled with Hitler regularly. All Nazi catholics remained catholics until the end except one. Its one act of contrition was to ex-communicate Goebbels, because he married a protestant (Magda). Yes the catholic church does have standards, just not the ones I recognize.

Well between your opinion and Einstein's (who actually lived through the horror) I'm going to go with Einstein. Concerning condoms. The Pope recently stated, what the Church has always recognized, and that is that although ultimately condom use is evil, outside of extraordinary curcumstances, it can be a first step of morality. For example, St. Thomas Aquinas argued that willful prostituion should not be forced to end by the State because it would create more evil than good, becuase bad people would do it anyway, and more violently, against women who had not chosen that kind of life. Likewise, one can use condoms if they plan to disobey teh Church anyway. The Church recognizes that it is less evil to use a condom than to not use a condom in the case of AIDs being transmitted through intercourse or something similar.

Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks….
.
Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.
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- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38

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Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by The Skeptic - January 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Jaysyn - January 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 15, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by orogenicman - January 14, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Of_Tomato - January 14, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 14, 2011 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - January 14, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 14, 2011 at 3:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 14, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Welsh cake - January 14, 2011 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 15, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Strappado - January 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 15, 2011 at 10:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 10:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 15, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 17, 2011 at 6:43 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 17, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 8:47 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 17, 2011 at 7:41 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 18, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 19, 2011 at 7:39 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Of_Tomato - January 19, 2011 at 7:49 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 19, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by padraic - January 20, 2011 at 2:01 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 20, 2011 at 3:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 20, 2011 at 9:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:26 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by theVOID - January 21, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 12:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 22, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 22, 2011 at 12:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 22, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 23, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 24, 2011 at 9:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 2:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 24, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 8:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 7:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by GANIMEDE - January 25, 2011 at 9:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 26, 2011 at 9:42 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 29, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 30, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 1, 2011 at 4:38 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - February 1, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 1, 2011 at 11:33 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Justtristo - February 8, 2011 at 6:40 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by LastPoet - February 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 7, 2011 at 8:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 7, 2011 at 10:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 7:55 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 8, 2011 at 11:47 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by lcd471357 - February 9, 2011 at 2:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - February 9, 2011 at 3:14 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 9, 2011 at 12:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by thesummerqueen - February 9, 2011 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - February 10, 2011 at 8:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 11, 2011 at 12:44 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2011 at 4:40 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm

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