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Spirituality as an atheist?
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RE: Spirituality as an atheist?
(December 16, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Obfuscation, then.

Exactly. I did not, as was implied, invent the phrase “God is spirit” just to make it difficult for atheists like Tyson to use the word spirit in a meaningful way. It is an ancient and, as I said, a well-nigh universal understanding of the word 'God.' If Tyson or atheists like him want to use use the term to imply that they themselves are “spiritual,” let's explore fully all the ramifications instead of nuancing it into oblivion.

From the online etymology dictionary:

spirit (v.)

1590s, "to make more active or energetic" (of blood, alcohol, etc.), from spirit (n.). The meaning "carry off or away secretly" (as though by supernatural agency) is first recorded 1660s. Related: Spirited; spiriting.

spirit (n.)

mid-13c., "animating or vital principle in man and animals," from Anglo-French spirit, Old French espirit "spirit, soul" (12c., Modern French esprit) and directly from Latin spiritus "a breathing (respiration, and of the wind), breath; breath of a god," hence "inspiration; breath of life," hence "life;" also "disposition, character; high spirit, vigor, courage; pride, arrogance," related to spirare "to breathe," perhaps from PIE *(s)peis- "to blow" (cognates: Old Church Slavonic pisto "to play on the flute"). But de Vaan says "Possibly an onomatopoeic formation imitating the sound of breathing. There are no direct cognates."

Meaning "supernatural immaterial creature; angel, demon; an apparition, invisible corporeal being of an airy nature" is attested from mid-14c.; from late 14c. as "a ghost" (see ghost (n.)). From c. 1500 as "a nature, character"; sense of "essential principle of something" (in a non-theological context, as in Spirit of St. Louis) is attested from 1680s, common after 1800; Spirit of '76 in reference to the qualities that sparked and sustained the American Revolution is attested by 1797 in William Cobbett's "Porcupine's Gazette and Daily Advertiser."

From late 14c. in alchemy as "volatile substance; distillate;" from c. 1500 as "substance capable of uniting the fixed and the volatile elements of the philosopher's stone." Hence spirits "volatile substance;" sense narrowed to "strong alcoholic liquor" by 1670s. This also is the sense in spirit level (1768). Also from mid-14c. as "character, disposition; way of thinking and feeling, state of mind; source of a human desire;" in Middle English freedom of spirit meant "freedom of choice." From late 14c. as "divine substance, divine mind, God;" also "Christ" or His divine nature; "the Holy Ghost; divine power;" also, "extension of divine power to man; inspiration, a charismatic state; charismatic power, especially of prophecy." Also "essential nature, essential quality." From 1580s in metaphoric sense "animation, vitality."

According to Barnhart and OED, originally in English mainly from passages in Vulgate, where the Latin word translates Greek pneuma and Hebrew ruah. Distinction between "soul" and "spirit" (as "seat of emotions") became current in Christian terminology (such as Greek psykhe vs. pneuma, Latin anima vs. spiritus) but "is without significance for earlier periods" [Buck]. Latin spiritus, usually in classical Latin "breath," replaces animus in the sense "spirit" in the imperial period and appears in Christian writings as the usual equivalent of Greek pneuma. Spirit-rapping is from 1852.
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Spirituality as an atheist? - by DespondentFishdeathMasochismo - December 14, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 12:40 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Joods - December 15, 2015 at 1:29 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 1:47 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by CapnAwesome - December 15, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Amine - December 15, 2015 at 3:42 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 4:01 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by SofaKingHigh - December 15, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Little Rik - December 15, 2015 at 7:13 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Little Rik - December 16, 2015 at 5:35 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Rhondazvous - December 15, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by loganonekenobi - December 15, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Simon Moon - December 15, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by TheRealJoeFish - December 15, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 6:04 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 10:18 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 15, 2015 at 10:50 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 16, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 1:57 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 16, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2015 at 4:22 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 16, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Whateverist - December 15, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by TrueChristian - December 15, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 15, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Rhondazvous - December 15, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Rhondazvous - December 15, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Whateverist - December 15, 2015 at 10:24 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by drfuzzy - December 16, 2015 at 2:59 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Iroscato - December 16, 2015 at 8:15 am
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 4:00 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 5:43 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Reflex - December 16, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by God of Mr. Hanky - December 16, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Cyberman - December 16, 2015 at 7:21 pm
RE: Spirituality as an atheist? - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2015 at 4:32 am

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