Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?

[Aractus]

Simple. Hale was taught (part of the programming his sponge-brain absorbed, as I described above) that what he was saying was morally right, that he was in fact empathizing with the women because it's what was really "best" for them. His programming overrode his natural sense of empathy. That's a part of our evolutionary heritage, as well; it how we're able to go to war with the tribe over the hill, because our social programming has said that those Others aren't really people like us, but a threat.

Part of our evolutionary heritage was that men were the hunters and women were the gatherers.

How do you expect me to believe that behaviour follows belief in evolution, rather than belief following behaviour - especially when we see clearly pre-programmed behaviours in animals that are not taught to them? Like my cat grooming himself - no one showed him how to do it so how does he know how to do it if the behaviour itself is not evolutionary?

Hale's definition of rape would have been less conservative than in times gone past also you know. For example, the Bible says that men can take concubines - sex slaves. And back then certain societies viewed that as acceptable, and didn't view the behaviour as the abuse of women (or rape). In Hale's time though that was different, and even he in all likeliness would agree that having sex with a slave without regard to the slave's wishes would constitute rape. So we actually see the definition of rape broadening through the centuries.

To use your example, there was also once a time when if you were victorious in battle you could take the wives of your enemy as the spoils of war, and have sex with them. But now, we think that's rape.

My point is that the question of "would you ever rape a woman" depends very much on the person's view of social norms and what the definition of rape is. You have had people all throughout the ages who would empathetically say "no I would not rape a woman", and yet they conducted behaviours that we today would define as rape.

If I was alive 1500 years ago, who's to say what definition of rape I would know?