(December 4, 2015 at 8:14 am)thool Wrote: OP, please explain how the first item is true. I don't see how morality hinges upon a supreme being.
I tend to see many issues first of all morality is largely subject and are societal constructs the Vikings morality, and modern morality and the morality of ISIL for example as they interpret their faith is all very different but inside those cultures people are "moral".
My second point is what if the morality is fundamentally flawed lets pick a real example in the South for two centuries they had brutal slavery. They who were in the slave trade at all levels thought it was moral and further used the Bible to defend it rather simply since the Bible said it was okay to own slaves and slaves should obey their masters. Now many didn't agree and resisted it with the Underground Railroad and so forth. I think we can agree the slavery system was highly immoral but the people who were involved believed it was religiously moral but flawed.
So if there is subjective morals and it can be flawed or not its hardly necessary for a deity in fact in my example religion in this case Biblical Christianity backed slavery, maybe atheism with our general respect for human dignity and empathy would have been far superior to the religious in this case.