Naturalism

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It is kind of garbage really. As soon as something is defined to be in any way detectable, it's "natural". Until then, there can be no way to know it exists at all. But for people who believe in magic, "natural" doesn't mean much anymore anyway.

For something to be objectively supernatural it has to be forever undetectable, or else it's just temporarily beyond the scope of science. It's this ridiculous idea that people claim to have "other ways" of detecting these supernatural things that go beyond the limitation of science. I don't see how you can ever prove something is forever beyond the scope of science, especially if you've no reason to suspect it's even there in the first place.

If supernatural just means "wow man, we don't understand that yet" then that's a pretty loaded term to use.