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Evidence for Christianity
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RE: Evidence for Christianity
(January 21, 2011 at 2:03 pm)dqualk Wrote: I think the spirit of morality is discoverable. I think it is that morals always serve the good in relation to man and God. However, morals are not always black and white, some moral situations are subjective and some are not; and sometimes they are a mix of the two. And God and the Church offer indulgenes which free men from the law, and the result of trangressing the law is dead in Christ, so that man is no longer subject to the law but freed from it.

The practically of all this means that whenever we say something is wrong we must demonstrate how it hurts man and that condemning the wrong is only helpful in so far as it helps the person afflicted and those around him. So I believe homosexuality is wrong, but I must deal with the issue in such a way that I am consciously recognizing that its harmful in and of itself, it is not just arbitrarily harmful, and I must approach the issue is such a way as what is best for the individual and the people around him.
Again I'm not sure what you mean discovering the spirit of morality. It sounds a bit wooly and fluffy to me. I would say all morality is ultimately subjective and morality is something between man and man. The Jesus (assuming he was real) figure is a dead iron age Jew and carries no exalted meaning for me, nor billions of other moral humans alive and well on the planet today.

Claiming homosexuality is immoral is bigotry. I don't see it as a moral issue, just a matter of the nature. Homosexauls are human too and deserve to be treated equally. Unfortunately if you buy into deutoronomy, leviticus and all those other ghastly manuscripts you buy into all sorts of nonsense, which is why xtians cherry pick the bits they're ok with (like thinking homosexuality is wrong), then say Jesus saved us from all the bitys which are bronze age garbage (like having to stone our own kids for answering back). If you scour the bible for morality its a very depressing outlook.

"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by The Skeptic - January 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Jaysyn - January 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 15, 2011 at 1:35 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by orogenicman - January 14, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Of_Tomato - January 14, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Skipper - January 14, 2011 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - January 14, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 14, 2011 at 3:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 14, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Welsh cake - January 14, 2011 at 6:37 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 7:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 15, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Strappado - January 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 15, 2011 at 10:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 15, 2011 at 10:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 15, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 15, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 17, 2011 at 6:43 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 17, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 8:47 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 17, 2011 at 7:41 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 18, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - January 19, 2011 at 7:39 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Of_Tomato - January 19, 2011 at 7:49 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 19, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by padraic - January 20, 2011 at 2:01 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 11:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 20, 2011 at 3:12 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 20, 2011 at 9:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by downbeatplumb - January 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 20, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:26 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by theVOID - January 21, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 12:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 21, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - January 21, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 21, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - January 22, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Dotard - January 22, 2011 at 12:02 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 22, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 23, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - January 24, 2011 at 9:30 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 2:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - January 24, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 3:04 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - January 24, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 6:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 8:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 7:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Ashendant - January 24, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 24, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by GANIMEDE - January 25, 2011 at 9:33 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 26, 2011 at 9:42 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 29, 2011 at 1:19 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by dqualk - January 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by OnlyNatural - January 30, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Rev. Rye - January 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 1, 2011 at 4:38 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by DeistPaladin - February 1, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - January 31, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 1, 2011 at 11:33 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Justtristo - February 8, 2011 at 6:40 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by LastPoet - February 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 7, 2011 at 8:58 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 7, 2011 at 10:05 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 7:55 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 8, 2011 at 11:47 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by lcd471357 - February 9, 2011 at 2:20 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by TheDarkestOfAngels - February 9, 2011 at 3:14 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Thor - February 9, 2011 at 12:10 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by thesummerqueen - February 9, 2011 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Zen Badger - February 10, 2011 at 8:19 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Captain Scarlet - February 11, 2011 at 12:44 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2011 at 4:40 am
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by bjhulk - February 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: Evidence for Christianity - by Minimalist - February 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm

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