Evidence for Christianity

[OnlyNatural]

And like I said, you can ignore all the Bible business, the part I was getting at was the statistics that prove that the homosexual lifestyle is a dangerous one.

He does not give statistics that 'prove' the homosexual lifestyle is dangerous. He only references Xtra magazine, which is not an empirical source. And you still haven't shown me the source for that secular French study, whereas I showed you an actual summary of research findings that is evidence against it.

The thing is homosexuality itself states that sexulaity is a subjective matter, and that kind of attitude leads men to question all sexual taboos, and conclude they are all just convention.

Homosexuality doesn't 'state' anything, it's not a religion or an institution of any sort. It does involve one's subjective experience, but that doesn't mean it's a conscious choice. And you can't just assert that being gay automatically makes men go against all sexual conventions, obviously that's not the case.

the vast majority of people believe that there are moral rights and wrongs, dealing with sexuality too.

I agree that the vast majority of people believe there are moral rights and wrongs, but exactly what is considered 'right' or 'wrong' often differs between individuals and groups, including religious groups. Even actions considered almost universally wrong (ie. killing another human being) can be seen as 'right' in certain contexts (ie. war, death penalty, self-defense, defense of your ideological beliefs).

I guarantee you, there are lots of people who don't see homosexuality as morally wrong. Most people who do condemn it tend to be religious. And they often can't justify why they think it's wrong; they just 'feel' it is, and try to rationalize their disgust, or point to the Bible. The arguments in that article were incredibly weak, and it seems like you didn't even read my responses, except for the swear words.

I think you are the bigot, no offence intended, because you are the one who insists on insulting and believeing that he and Christians are evil and so on. He is stating his honest opinion and you are mad at him for it.

You can call me a bigot if you like, but the truth is, I am only intolerant of people who are prejudiced and discriminatory towards people who don't deserve it. I actually care about the well-being and suffering of human beings, I don't just conform to ideas about what's morally wrong based on what my religion thinks.

Futher you act as if his opinions are unwarranted, as if civilization for the last 2000+ years, over most all of the world, has condemend homosexuality. And western civilization has based all of its morality on the Bible up until about 50-100 years ago. Human rights developed within a Christian west, this is just a fact. Now perhaps it could have developed under different terms, but it did not!

Well you can believe what you want, if it makes you feel better. I have too much university shit to do to go searching for more sources for you right now.

And in my opinion now that we are moving away from Chrsitianity we will soon see Human Rights disappear, as there is no such thing as a right when there is no such thing as a thing which supercedes governments. Rights are grounded in the idea that we are endowed by our Creator with UNALIENABLE rights. Without an endower rights are just laws, or strong laws.

This is a really terrible thing to say about humanity, that we can never hope to govern ourselves in a way that respects the rights of every human being, unless there's a God who gave us rights and morals and laws. In fact, the poorest countries with the lowest quality of life are often the most devoutly religious.

And, consider this sociological analysis about the two most atheistic countries in the world:

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=3189

[Society without God, by Phil Zuckerman]

So, what do the data show about the health, happiness and morality of these non-religious societies?

The data could hardly be clearer. Denmark and Sweden rank among the most well-developed, wealthiest, most democratic, most free, most entrepreneurial, least corrupt, least violent, most peaceful, healthiest, happiest, most egalitarian, best educated, most charitable, and most environmentally compassionate societies in the entire world.