(January 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm)dqualk Wrote: I think you are the bigot, no offence intended, because you are the one who insists on insulting and believeing that he and Christians are evil and so on. He is stating his honest opinion and you are mad at him for it. Futher you act as if his opinions are unwarranted, as if civilization for the last 2000+ years, over most all of the world, has condemend homosexuality. And western civilization has based all of its morality on the Bible up until about 50-100 years ago. Human rights developed within a Christian west, this is just a fact. Now perhaps it could have developed under different terms, but it did not! And in my opinion now that we are moving away from Chrsitianity we will soon see Human Rights disappear, as there is no such thing as a right when there is no such thing as a thing which supercedes governments. Rights are grounded in the idea that we are endowed by our Creator with UNALIENABLE rights. Without an endower rights are just laws, or strong laws.This is becuase as humanists we have a stronger moral foundation than christianity. We do not have that has to revert to the bizarre ramblings of bronze age goat-herders for moral and ethical issues. Instead we can accept morality for what it is and work towards a society where the human and not a gods insecure vanity is at the centre of our considerations.
As for Human rights developing in the Christian West being a fact, I think the Rev has reposnded well to this. By using the Christian prefix you are implying it had a role in developing human rights in the west. Yeah right, maybe they have caught onto it recently after years of humanism asserting itself over the religious demagogues, but for centuries before that your statements are a horrible paraody of the truth.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
