Evidence for Christianity

[DeistPaladin]

Their [the gay] life span is proof enough [that it is dangerous as a lifestyle], not to mention their rate of HIV etc.

Higher rates of suicide, victimization by hate crimes and general stress of being a pariah might factor into life expectancy. These things would disappear if the same rules applied to straights and gays (and bis, thank you).

As I think I pointed out before, lesbians have virtually zero vulnerability to HIV and other STDs. Even a monogamous and faithful heterosexual woman can pick up AIDS if she has a philandering husband. Gays of either gender in a stable, monogamous relationship are much less at risk than promiscuous heterosexuals. This line of reasoning will get you nowhere.

The thing is homosexuality itself states that sexulaity is a subjective matter, and that kind of attitude leads men to question all sexual taboos, and conclude they are all just convention.

This is called the "slippery slope" logical fallacy.

The implication here is we might be in danger of later doing away with laws against rape, child molestation, etc. Unlike anti-sodomy laws, there is a clear victim with rape or pedophilia and so moral prohibitions against predatory behavior have a much more rational and solid foundation.

But the vast majority of people believe that there are moral rights and wrongs, dealing with sexuality too.

As do I.

I believe the same rules apply in the bedroom as outside of it. They can be summed up in three admonishments:

1. Act with integrity.
2. Respect the rights of others.
3. Take responsibility for your actions.

Anything that violates any of these rules is what I consider to be "morally wrong". This is a natural system of morality, based on the recognition that questions of morality deal with how we treat each other as sentient beings.

if civilization for the last 2000+ years, over most all of the world, has condemend homosexuality.

This logical fallacy is called "appeal to popularity". Perhaps a dash of "appeal to antiquity" thrown in. Do I need to explain?

Human rights developed within a Christian west, this is just a fact. Now perhaps it could have developed under different terms, but it did not! And in my opinion now that we are moving away from Chrsitianity we will soon see Human Rights disappear, as there is no such thing as a right when there is no such thing as a thing which supercedes governments. Rights are grounded in the idea that we are endowed by our Creator with UNALIENABLE rights. Without an endower rights are just laws, or strong laws.

The greatest obscenity ever committed by Christian apologetics is the attempt to claim that human rights or democracy owe their existence to Christianity.

Seriously, this argument is not just logically ridiculous or based on a faulty understanding of human history, it's a disgusting claim.

From the time of Constantine to even as late as the modern era, Christianity has done everything in its power to fight against freedom and human rights. Christianity propped up the "divine right of kings" (Romans 13). Christianity supported slavery and the Bible has many passages that regulate the treatment of slaves. Luke's Jesus teaches that disobiedient slaves should be beaten (12:46) and that kings should kill those who don't wish to be ruled (19:22-27). During the Dark Ages, the heyday of Catholic power, the society they created was one of tyranny and inequality.

Search the Bible in vein for any references to "inalienable rights" given by our Creator. You won't find them. There are only admonishments for obedience. The Christian god is the god of kings, tyrants and slave owners. The Christian god himself is a tyrant who tortures people eternally for thought crimes and desires not just blind obedience but constant sycophantic praise. The Creator referenced by America's DOI is the one envisioned by deism.

Democracy, equality and human rights were only made possible once Christianity's power was broken, starting with the Age of Enlightenment. The progress has been slow over the centuries and Christianity has been dragged, kicking and screaming, the whole way. Even today, I suspect that Christian leaders would take us back to their golden age, if only they could.

For Christianity to even try to claim responsibility for the very thing they fought so hard against is not just wrong, not just a lie, but an obscenity.