(January 6, 2016 at 6:13 pm)stop_pushing_me Wrote:(December 24, 2015 at 4:53 am)pool Wrote: To clarify, what we don't know is how our world was designed. Whether by intelligent beings, random unknown events is what is unknown. It is known, well at least to me, that our universe is designed by what events or what beings or whatever is what is not known.
This question is malformed as you have crafted it in such as way that you are implying the presupposition that the "world was designed." This misconception of how the world came to be is something I come across often with theists.
What is happening is that a theist will think first of what they want to be true...."that a god exists".....then they form a question with the assumption that a god exists when crafting questions in their minds...ie "what we don't know is how our world was designed".... which demonstrations their error in critical thinking. One should first think about the order of things....for example what came first...planet formation or the evolution of man? If you don't know... the answer is planet formation....and then mankind eventually ....over a time spread that is very very very difficult to wrap our human brains around.....Richard Dawkins often refers to the principles of evolution as climbing mount improbable. The truth is that the animals, bacteria, and whatever else you want to point to came about only due to the conditions of the environment that existed around them for them to come into being in the first place (it could be no other way). In other words Evolution is the opposite of design, and we know that evolution is fact.
Also, how can anyone use the ID argument when you look and see how many human beings suffer from aliments that vary in nature. Notice how many people deteriorate at different rates suffering from an array of suddle to extreme diagnoses. The US healthcare expenditures show at roughly $971 1 billlion dollars in 2014. If a designer was ever in place, he/she did a shitty job. 2. Breaking down in different ways in different variations aligns with the idea of evolutionary principles which directly refutes the designer claim.
You bring up a good point, if someone wants to assert that a deity is intelligently designing things, then they must come to grips with the incredible evil this deity is doing.
Michael Behe, the primary proponent of intelligent design, wrote a book, the Edge of Evolution which attempts to answer the fundamental question that an ID proponent must answer- Where is the exact demarcation line between natural micro-evolutionary processes and the alleged god-produced macro-evolution?
Behe; in his book The Edge of Evolution drew the line at chloroquine resistance in malaria. We found chloroquine resistant malaria widespread within 15 years after the drug was introduced.
Behe has constructed a god concept that is actively designing biological diseases to destroy humanity and then modifying them after we create drugs to control them.
Praise Jeebus, I guess?
Creationists desperately want to assert evidence for their god, but they painted god into the corner of malicious bio-terrorist in the process.
Behe’s (malevolent) intelligent designer is still at work
Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition