RE: Intelligent Design
January 9, 2016 at 5:47 am
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2016 at 5:55 am by ErGingerbreadMandude.)
(January 9, 2016 at 2:01 am)Old Baby Wrote:(January 8, 2016 at 11:06 pm)pool Wrote: No actually. It's very different.
The HOW is essentially asking what happens when a rock falls. The WHY however is asking why it is the way it is.
Two different things.
Since we can only study what is happening around us we can only give an answer for HOW, the WHY is left unanswered, because we have nothing to make observations out of, or maybe perhaps people don't realize there is a why because "but they didn't teach that in our school"
However I noticed that the why in the question of why H20 forms water and the why in the question of why 1 + 2 =3 had a very good correlation and followed a good identical pattern. I know the number system is just a number system and nothing more, I know we aren't god, I used that example so that people can better grasp what I was getting across. If you consider the number system and humans the number system is basically that something humans created, we thought up of it and then we implemented it. And when you consider the why of the why is 1 + 2 = 3 in the number system the answer would be that it is because of the way we designed the addition operation and number system. For example, if we had designed the operation addition as x + y = xy then we'd have 1 + 2 = 2, why do we get 2? Because of how we had designed the operation. Since intelligent beings designed it, it is a product of intelligent design. It's the same thing with my example of water, almost identical to the example I gave above, only thing is we knew who designed the number system, we don't know who designed the rules of our universe..
I'm still confused on why we even need to ask "Why?" WHY implies intent or purpose. It presupposes intelligence. It's word games, not evidence, not even an argument. Before anyone is going to worry about the "Why?" question, you have to show that it's relevant. It's like asking, "Why are the chip crumbs always at the bottom of the sack?" Asking "How?" or "Why=How?" are reasonable questions, but why would anyone assume that there's purpose behind the crumbs going to the bottom of the sack? No one is going to consider asking or answering that question unless it can be shown that there's actually a good reason to believe there is a purpose behind the crumbs going to the bottom.
Quote:I'm still confused on why we even need to ask "Why?"Because humans value knowledge.
Quote:WHY implies intent or purpose. It presupposes intelligence.Yeah, I know that. So? Pursuing knowledge should be completely abandoned if it is related with ID? I just showed that why implies intelligence and you're telling me what I was telling this whole time like a new thing?
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Quote: It's word games, not evidence, not even an argument.It's not word games. I'll admit it is not strong evidence. It's just common sense, at least to me. I don't understand why people don't seem to *get* what I'm saying
Quote: Before anyone is going to worry about the "Why?" question, you have to show that it's relevant.Persuasion of knowledge.
Before they figured out earth was round they all thought it was flat. You could've asked them the same thing - "Why should I care if earth is round? Why is it relevant". Persuasion of knowledge and the advancement of human kind.
Lastly, I don't think you seem to get what I'm talking about. Perhaps you think I'm trying to prove there is a God and trying to justify theism through my arguments. I don't. I just care about information. People have either not given convincing counter arguments or have not even understood what I'm talking about up until now and that is the only reason I still continue to advocate my position. You just have to look a few pages back and you'll notice that I admit with no shame when I'm wrong and accept the truth but when I'm not wrong or when people can't seem to counter properly I'm usually right, so I keep at it. *burp*