(January 9, 2016 at 8:08 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:(January 9, 2016 at 7:56 pm)AAA Wrote: Also order does not arise from chaos. We can go to the second law of thermodynamics argument if you like. Entropy increases. Unless you have a system to harvest energy and actively work against the law, then the amount of energy available for work decreases over time according to every observation ever outside of life.
Wrong - life does not violate that 2nd Law which your side loves to trot out, in fact it exists because of it:
Why the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics Implies That Life Must Evolve Somewhere
I didn't say that life violates the second law. Life is a temporary reduction in entropy due to a system capable of harnessing energy. The problem I see with the dude's theory is that life would have to have an end goal in mind. It would have to develop into this complex structure over long periods of time without seeing the increase in entropy until it finally reached the point that it could do so. Life does ultimately lead to the dissipation of energy as heat, but think about this. If the ultimate goal of an energy rich system is to dissipate the energy, then life should be forming more frequently in these energy rich areas. Based on his idea, we would expect entropy poor areas such as stars or planets bathed in UV light to be producing life all the time in order to dissipate that energy.