(January 9, 2016 at 8:28 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:I am comparing it to everything we know about the abiotic world. We don't see nucleotides organizing themselves into a purposeful sequence. We barely see them at all. We don't see amino acids organizing themselves. We don't see mutations increasing the information content in genomes.(January 9, 2016 at 8:20 pm)AAA Wrote: I didn't say everything is designed. I'm talking about the cell, and life in general. You can tell if something is not designed, if it doesn't either accomplish a purpose, have symmetry, have a known history of being designed, have a specific arrangement of characters that gives it functionality. I would say that we can intuitively tell the difference between something that was designed and something that wasn't, but I feel like you would have a problem with that.
Well, yes I have a problem with that because we don't recognize design intuitively, we recognize design by contrasting it with things that occur naturally. Your talking about cells and life being designed, what are you comparing to? If your whole argument is based on an individuals intuition than your argument is as easily refuted as it is confirmed by those standards, I could just intuitively not see the design in life.
Do you agree that life looks designed? Do you agree that the cell does things that require the specific action of proteins working together? Would you rather have the body you have now, or let all the best engineers who have ever lived collaborate to create you a new one without all the crappy design that you guys have been going on about? Do you think they could do a better job? Do you deny that the theory of evolution has a lot of holes? Do you honestly think these holes will be filled in? Why do you require hard evidence for design while not requiring it for the theory of evolution, yet not count the fine tuning of the universe or the intricate activity of the genetic code?
I don't know what would count as evidence for intelligent design in the cell if tRNA, attenuation, viral capsid structure, telomeres/telomerase, p53, cyclins, kinases, immune system functioning, and the hundreds of thousands of intricate activities that go on in the bodies of living organisms. You'll probably just say that they evolved and that the evidence for that will come later.