(January 13, 2016 at 3:14 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:Quote:Of course I don't think this is the case. I think there is some form of intelligence outside of our universe that designed the universe and life. The big bang theory seems to point to the fact that there are other things outside of our universe. A cause that led to our universe.
First problem: you conceptualize the origins of the universe in a linear fashion, "Before and after the singularity", you are thinking of it in the terms that you, as the resident of the universe, can clearly comprehend; it's perfectly natural to think of it in this way, but it is not accurate. Cause and effect are laws of the universe, they do not apply (for lack of a better term) "before" the universe. The universe did not need a 'cause' in that sense, and to suggest that something caused the singularity only leads to the question of what caused the cause, or to put it another way: Where did God come from?
Quote:Obviously it is impossible to try to explain these extra-universal ideas (unless they are capable of entering into our universe). Based on our current understanding of physics, nothing should be eternal, but the fact that things exist shows that something must always have existed.
The ideas are impossible to explain, yet you don't have any problem asserting them.
Quote:I personally believe in a being (or beings) of higher spacial dimensions. For example think of a 4 dimensional creature. This is difficult to imagine. Picture a two dimensional plane such as a slice of paper with 2D creatures on it. They can only move within the 2 dimensions of the paper. They have no way to conceive of the third dimension. However, a 3D creature could observe the 2D creatures. We could literally be as close as possible to the 2D realm (slice of paper), and still be undetectable to them. We could even enter their realm. Imagine a 3D creature sticking its finger into the 2D realm. The 2D creatures would only be able to see the horizontal cross section of the finger which would appear as a 2D circle. We could then pull our finger out of the 2D realm and it would appear as though the circle simply disappeared. Now imagine that there is a 4D creature that could interact with our 3D realm. We would have no way to observe the 4D realm (in fact only some mathematicians and children can visualize it). The 4D creature could then interact with the 3D realm be inserting part of itself into our realm, which we would perceive in its 3D form (this may be where Jesus comes in, and why it is implied that Jesus and God are the same entity). I realize that this last paragraph is not scientific, but it makes sense of some strange phenomena that is supposedly observed.
At what point does this extra-dimensional entity that exceeds the bounds of all human comprehension become a personal anthropomorphic deity that thinks, acts and communicates on human terms and incarnates itself in human form to engage in acts of sorcery? I don't mean to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about?
So you think that the universe is eternal? I believe most scientist think that it had a beginning. This means that it must have been caused by something else. And exactly, the first cause must have been uncaused, which is outside of our experience. The difference between you and I is that you think the first cause was unintelligent and I think it was intelligent.
I wasn't asserting anything in the last post, those were just some thoughts. I even said that I know that they weren't scientific ideas. I didn't say that this is 100% right, it was just a thought.
And the higher dimensional deity becomes comprehendable and personable when It interacts with our dimension. God has allegedly interacted (at least according to the Bible, which I know you don't care about) many times throughout history. This is when He becomes personable. Again these are just thoughts, so I don't want to see you respond telling me that I am asserting them to be true.