Intelligent Design

[ApeNotKillApe]

In the universe, causes lead to effects, each cause is the effect of a cause, this is time and space at work, which are functions of the universe. If the universe was caused by some other temporal-based agent "outside" of the universe, then the laws of cause and effect were somehow in place before the universe existed, the cause of the universe would have to be the effect of a previous cause, and that cause would also be an effect of a cause, the chain reaction of causality would trace backwards forever to no determinable starting point, which would mean that time and space are eternal, not infinite, which to my mind sort of breaks time and space, seeing as it makes time timeless and space spaceless. My friend, it is you who believes the universe is eternal.

I think we're actually in agreement that our universe is not eternal, but I'm not sure. Wouldn't something outside of time be exempt from the need of a previous cause? Obviously we can't jump to God from that, but the God of the Bible does claim to be the creator of time and space, and therefore removes himself from the need for a previous cause.

Yeah, this is starting to seem disingenuous.